# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 577
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11523 "2019-05-29T17:32:49Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Anybody want to take one for the team and find out how this is being spun in the alt-right fair 'n balanced media-Trumposphere? I’m guessing it’s not “Mueller declines to exonerate Trump.” I just opened up the Fox News website. Top Headline: “Bob Stirs the Pot” Followed by: “Mueller makes rare appearance to resign, and fuels more Dem impeachment talk” No mention of Trump, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11524 "2019-05-29T17:39:46Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I just opened up the Fox News website. Top Headline: > > “Bob Stirs the Pot” Interesting turn of phrase, especially in this age of “witch-hunts” and “counter witch-hunts”. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11525 "2019-05-29T17:45:59Z")
It seems that Mueller has effectively told Congress “Look, I just wrote a 400-page report naming the people involved with any potential misdeeds. Why talk to me and hear it third hand again? Subpoena them and grill 'em.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11526 "2019-05-29T17:49:22Z")
Even if Congress just questions Mueller and he repeats the words of the report, that could have tremendous value, because quotable recorded video is much more influential to the public in the short and medium term than text. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11527 "2019-05-29T17:51:59Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I just opened up the Fox News website. Top Headline: > > “Bob Stirs the Pot” > > Followed by: > > “Mueller makes rare appearance to resign, and fuels more Dem impeachment talk” > > No mention of Trump, of course. Their legal guy, Judge Napolitano, says: > “Mueller’s Message Opened a Door…” And he linked to the following (non-Fox News) article: [https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-napolitano-muellers-message-was-that-they-had-evidence-trump-committed-a-crime/](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-napolitano-muellers-message-was-that-they-had-evidence-trump-committed-a-crime/) "Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said there was one pretty clear message from Robert Mueller: “The president can’t be indicted, otherwise we would’ve indicted him.” Mueller made it clear — as was previously laid out in his final report — that if they were confident President Donald Trump had not committed a crime, they would have said so. Napolitano said “that opens the door for the Democrats the pounce” because Mueller’s message was basically “We had evidence that he [Trump] committed a crime, but we couldn’t charge him because he’s the President of the United States.” He said it’s “stronger than the language in his report” and doubled as a “parting shot” at Attorney General William Barr." ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11528 "2019-05-29T17:56:38Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > The press conference reminded me of this: > > Dorothy: Oh will you help me? Can you help me? > Glinda: You don’t need to be helped any longer. You’ve always had the power to go back to Kansas. “And you couldn’t have let me know that _before_ I walked fifty miles on a brick road in heels, bitch?” ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11529 "2019-05-29T18:00:50Z")
[Here’s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPpMKkuhXQ) Ari Melber’s thoughts: > [@Ari Melber](#): > > If there was an actual impeachment probe… you could call in the prosecutor and the members of his team to present the evidence because there would be a constitutionally-warranted process whereby prosecutors would present evidence. What Mueller is saying is not he’ll never talk, I don’t think… if Congress wants to hold an impeachment probe or present evidence, he’ll get involved. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11530 "2019-05-29T18:22:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Brett Baier of Fox News said that Mueller’s statement was the “exact opposite” of Barr’s rendering of it. Chris Christie, on ABC, said the same: that Mueller directly contradicted Barr’s letter. > > Booker and Harris are now pro-impeachment, just releasing statements to that effect. I like both Booker and Harris, but fuck them. Take a god damn moral stand without (additional) cover. Mueller didn’t say anything he didn’t say in his report, if they had read it. I’m beginning to think that possibly Amash may be the only one in either house who did. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11531 "2019-05-29T18:54:53Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I like both Booker and Harris, but fuck them. Take a god damn moral stand without (additional) cover. Mueller didn’t say anything he didn’t say in his report, if they had read it. I’m beginning to think that possibly Amash may be the only one in either house who did. In a way, I agree. In a way, I don’t. This is still a visual age, not a reading one, so having Mueller himself up there saying “If I could’ve exonerated him, I would’ve” does matter. Hell, it even changed Dotard’s tune! Again, not knowing what his position was before this, Pete Buttigieg is now pro-impeachment: [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445996-buttigieg-on-mueller-this-is-as-close-to-an-impeachment-referral-as-it-gets?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445996-buttigieg-on-mueller-this-is-as-close-to-an-impeachment-referral-as-it-gets?__twitter_impression=true) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11532 "2019-05-29T18:56:08Z")
I love this tweet in response to Trump’s tweet after Mueller’s statement: > [@](#): > > I think “innocent on a technicality” will make a great 2020 campaign slogan > **[Twitter Users Refuse To Let Trump Distort Robert Mueller's Comments](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-twitter-users-mueller-report_n_5ceeab8de4b0f078035e0b26)** > > One Twitter user thought the president should adopt "innocent on a technicality" as his 2020 campaign slogan. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11533 "2019-05-29T18:56:36Z")
Gillibrand says “ALL ABOARD” the impeachment train: > ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11534 "2019-05-29T19:17:41Z")
The “anti-Trump” side has pretty much hogged the spotlight recently in this thread. Thus, the pro-Trump side is not represented! In the spirit of fairness and equal time, we should step back for a few minutes and give them some room to make their case. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11535 "2019-05-29T19:31:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The “anti-Trump” side has pretty much hogged the spotlight recently in this thread. Thus, the pro-Trump side is not represented! In the spirit of fairness and equal time, we should step back for a few minutes and give them some room to make their case. Why? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11536 "2019-05-29T19:32:56Z")
(He be making a fun nee.) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11537 "2019-05-29T19:35:24Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I like both Booker and Harris, but fuck them. Take a god damn moral stand without (additional) cover. Mueller didn’t say anything he didn’t say in his report, if they had read it. I’m beginning to think that possibly Amash may be the only one in either house who did. It’ll be interesting to see how the public reacts to Mueller’s comments – probably negatively for a few days before going back to watching sports or reality TV. Those who are on the fence re impeachment want to impeach his ass - they just need a better reason to do it. This might be that reason: > **['Don't say we didn't warn you': A phrase from China signals the trade war...](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/dont-say-we-didnt-warn-you---a-phrase-from-china-signals-the-trade-war-could-get-even-worse.html)** > > The biggest Chinese newspaper made a warning to the U.S. by using a history-laden phrase. > **[Scary pattern forming in stock chart may be sign of another move lower](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/29/scary-pattern-forming-in-stock-chart-may-be-sign-of-another-move-lower.html)** > > The stock sell off accelerated Wednesday as major indices broke key technical levels, and a worrisome pattern formed in the S&P 500 chart. Trump is fighting wars on multiple fronts, and I don’t think his insane clown posse has any goddamn clue what’s about to hit them. We’re headed for a recession. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11538 "2019-05-29T19:40:51Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > I love this tweet in response to Trump’s tweet after Mueller’s statement: > > [Twitter Users Refuse To Let Trump Distort Robert Mueller's Comments | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-twitter-users-mueller-report_n_5ceeab8de4b0f078035e0b26) Cute…Although even it doesn’t really capture the full measure of it, since the technicality is that the President can’t be found guilty as a matter of principle…It’s not just any technicality. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11539 "2019-05-29T19:43:17Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I get what he means with his double-negative conditional, but goddammit, Mueller, how about using the no-negative declarative? > > “We found evidence indicating that the president committed a crime.” Or even “As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not.” Means the same as: “As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that we could clear the president of a crime, we would have said so. We did not.” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11540 "2019-05-29T21:21:16Z")
A pundit on CNN held the opinion that no prosecutor ever exonerates anyone – they either indict, or they don’t. Therefore, Trump is as free & clear as anyone could ever be. Well, no … that’s stupid. Because the President is Special. Using that logic, every investigation of a president would result in exoneration, because indictment is off the table. That’s why Mueller had to send in the punt team, and remind Congress of their constitutional duty. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11541 "2019-05-29T21:46:13Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > A pundit on CNN held the opinion that no prosecutor ever exonerates anyone – they either indict, or they don’t. Therefore, Trump is as free & clear as anyone could ever be. > > Well, no … that’s stupid. Because the President is Special. > > Using that logic, every investigation of a president would result in exoneration, because indictment is off the table. That’s why Mueller had to send in the punt team, and remind Congress of their constitutional duty. Yeah, I can think of cases where people were exonerated. The Duke lacrosse players in the rape case about 10 years ago, for one. The North Carolina Attorney General declared them innocent. And, how many people have been exonerated by DNA evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11542 "2019-05-29T22:09:21Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Trump is fighting wars on multiple fronts, and I don’t think his insane clown posse has any goddamn clue what’s about to hit them. We’re headed for a recession. Obama’s err, Hillary’s… err… Biden’s fault! Ya, that’s the ticket! The economy would have been great, if it wasn’t for that Damn Bidan. Bidem. Whatever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=576) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=578)