# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1141 "2017-12-06T21:32:09Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > …By the way, not sure if you’re aware, but one add to that abortion of a tax bill the Republicans are trying to ram through before the end of the year is [lifting protections against oil and gas drilling for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/12/senate-tax-bill-indigenous-communities/547352/). Fuckers. May polar bears nibble their testicles. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1142 "2017-12-06T21:53:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Junior is in it deep if he’s causing trouble for Mrs. Trump #4. It would be great to see all the schemes and the entire administration collapse from general incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1143 "2017-12-06T23:00:10Z")
So, now I’m supposed to believe that Trump Jr. told Hope Hicks about a meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton, and Hope Hicks just said, “Whatever, no biggie,” and went on with her day and did not tell her boss. No wonder the talking point has shifted to “collusion isn’t illegal” recently. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1144 "2017-12-07T02:34:48Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You are not the only one who had those thoughts and worries. > > By the way, not sure if you’re aware, but one add to that abortion of a tax bill the Republicans are trying to ram through before the end of the year is [lifting protections against oil and gas drilling for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/12/senate-tax-bill-indigenous-communities/547352/). Fuckers. We’d like our wolves back now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1145 "2017-12-07T03:35:22Z")
With friggin’ laser beams attached to their heads… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1146 "2017-12-07T13:51:05Z")
A question for the Peanut Gallery that needs to be asked at this point: Will the Mueller investigation ultimately (in the next three years) do mortal damage to thump as president and/or to the thump administration? Define “mortal damage” any way you want, but share your definition. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1147 "2017-12-07T14:16:41Z")
I honestly believe that the Mueller investigation will result in the indictment and trial of Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. If the indictment of Flynn caused Trump to scream and hurl a coffee pot, imagine what the indictment of family members will do. I think he would be unhinged and unbridled at that point, pardoning and firing and screaming on television. At that point, the 25th amendment might come into play. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1148 "2017-12-07T14:19:37Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I honestly believe that the Mueller investigation will result in the indictment and trial of Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. If the indictment of Flynn caused Trump to scream and hurl a coffee pot, imagine what the indictment of family members will do. I think he would be unhinged and unbridled at that point, pardoning and firing and screaming on television. At that point, the 25th amendment might come into play. His supporters would say he’s moved on to googolth dimensional chess. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1149 "2017-12-07T14:30:49Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I honestly believe that the Mueller investigation will result in the indictment and trial of Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. If the indictment of Flynn caused Trump to scream and hurl a coffee pot, imagine what the indictment of family members will do. I think he would be unhinged and unbridled at that point, pardoning and firing and screaming on television. At that point, the 25th amendment might come into play. I agree with the first part; the indictments of Junior and Jared. Plus, it will produce a long list of impeachable and otherwise indictable offenses against Trump, none of which will be addressed until there’s a Democratic majority in the House. If Democrats take over after the mid-terms there will be an impeachment in January 2019. If Democrats take over the Senate as well, Trump will be gone by February. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1150 "2017-12-07T14:37:27Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I honestly believe that the Mueller investigation will result in the indictment and trial of Don Jr. and Jared Kushner. If the indictment of Flynn caused Trump to scream and hurl a coffee pot, imagine what the indictment of family members will do. I think he would be unhinged and unbridled at that point, pardoning and firing and screaming on television. At that point, the 25th amendment might come into play. And God help him and us if Ivanka gets indicted. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1151 "2017-12-07T15:17:19Z")
I’ve spent much of the last two and half years thinking “well that’s it - he can’t survive _this_”, only to be shocked that people still support him. He’s the unsinkable rubber ducky. I’d like to think that the Russia information will finally sink him, but the Republicans in Congress, and 35% of America, will have to drastically change, so I’ll believe it when it happens. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1152 "2017-12-07T16:02:19Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I agree with the first part; the indictments of Junior and Jared. Plus, it will produce a long list of impeachable and otherwise indictable offenses against Trump, none of which will be addressed until there’s a Democratic majority in the House. If Democrats take over after the mid-terms there will be an impeachment in January 2019. If Democrats take over the Senate as well, Trump will be gone by February. Even if trump himself is untouchable, that doesn’t mean that his financial empire isn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised it, by the end of this investigation, he is left with nothing, left as just a pauper, even if the republicans are too chickenshit too put the good of the country above their own. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1153 "2017-12-07T16:12:21Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You are not the only one who had those thoughts and worries. > > By the way, not sure if you’re aware, but one add to that abortion of a tax bill the Republicans are trying to ram through before the end of the year is [lifting protections against oil and gas drilling for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/12/senate-tax-bill-indigenous-communities/547352/). Fuckers. Goddammit! Fuckers, indeed! I wish that I still believed in Hell so I could send them there… ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1154 "2017-12-07T16:18:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Even if trump himself is untouchable, that doesn’t mean that his financial empire isn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised it, by the end of this investigation, he is left with nothing, left as just a pauper, even if the republicans are too chickenshit too put the good of the country above their own. That would be quite an acceptable outcome for me. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1155 "2017-12-07T16:24:17Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > We’d like our wolves back now. With scarves of red tied ‘round their throats? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1156 "2017-12-07T16:25:05Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I agree with the first part; the indictments of Junior and Jared. Plus, it will produce a long list of impeachable and otherwise indictable offenses against Trump, none of which will be addressed until there’s a Democratic majority in the House. If Democrats take over after the mid-terms there will be an impeachment in January 2019. If Democrats take over the Senate as well, Trump will be gone by February. Hate to toss a wet blanket on this but conviction requires 2/3 majority in the Senate. At least some Republicans would have to cast a guilty vote. But we can dream. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1157 "2017-12-07T16:25:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > You are not the only one who had those thoughts and worries. > > By the way, not sure if you’re aware, but one add to that abortion of a tax bill the Republicans are trying to ram through before the end of the year is [lifting protections against oil and gas drilling for the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/12/senate-tax-bill-indigenous-communities/547352/). Fuckers. Isn’t this a policy change? I thought that couldn’t be done through reconciliation unless it involved spending, revenue, or debt. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1158 "2017-12-07T16:27:32Z")
Now that’s an angle I haven’t previously considered. What if the progression of the investigation produces not only indictments for the bit players, but also large and widespread asset seizure, to the extent that Donnie Two Scoops’s empire is whittled away to nothing? Oh, the gloriousness of that…he might literally burst a blood vessel in rage as his net worth counter ticks toward zero and he has no more assets to violate the emoluments clause with. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1159 "2017-12-07T16:28:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > With scarves of red tied ‘round their throats? No. We _want_ heads falling in the snow. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1160 "2017-12-07T16:33:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow says there have been no bank records subpoenas. > [Trump's lawyer rejects claims financial details have been demanded | US News | Sky News](https://news.sky.com/story/robert-mueller-demands-donald-trumps-deutsche-bank-accounts-11157610) Turns out that he was correct and the [original source has corrected their story](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-05/deutsche-bank-said-to-be-subpoenaed-by-mueller). (The subpoena was for records of people connected to Trump, not Trump himself.) > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > So, now I’m supposed to believe that Trump Jr. told Hope Hicks about a meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton, and Hope Hicks just said, “Whatever, no biggie,” and went on with her day and did not tell her boss. You appear to have completely misunderstood that story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=59)