# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 583
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11643 "2019-06-10T20:45:39Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Wheres that guy who kept talking about Kilimnik? I’m that guy. Even if everything John Solomon wrote in that opinion piece is true ([“He is known for biased reporting in favor of conservatives, and of repeatedly manufacturing faux scandals”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Solomon_(political_commentator))), it doesn’t change the fact that interactions between Kilimnik and Manafort are plainly and straightforwardly collusion. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11644 "2019-06-10T21:19:06Z")
It’s kind of funny listening to the Republicans recite the same exact phrase about how cooperative Trump was in allowing people to testify and in how many documents they provided. The exact same phrase. It’s clearly a pre-arranged thing; I hope that somebody at The Daily Show or something sees it too and does a montage. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11645 "2019-06-10T21:35:49Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > How I wish this were an option for me. Severely limited bandwidth restrictions due to too-rural living. :mad: Some Twitter updates [here](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11646 "2019-06-10T21:45:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ddamn! Mr. Dean just caught out Mr. Jordan in a lie! That was pretty sweet. In case it’s not all over the evening news, would you mind giving us a recap? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11647 "2019-06-10T21:58:23Z")
It was small but significant, IMO. Mr. Jordan was [del]characterizing[/del]demonizing John Dean he said, “you’re a convicted felon, convicted of obstruction of justice; you served time in prison-” John Dean: I did not serve time in prison. Long pause as Mr. Jordan looks at Mr. Dean, eventually acknowledging getting caught. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11648 "2019-06-10T22:07:23Z")
Hah! Cool. That does appear to be the Republican MO, when confronted with facts they don’t want to hear - ad hominem attacks on the messenger. You’ve done something unsavory in the past, therefore we shan’t hear a word you say lalalalallalala. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11649 "2019-06-10T22:54:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Hah! Cool. > > That does appear to be the Republican MO, when confronted with facts they don’t want to hear - ad hominem attacks on the messenger. You’ve done something unsavory in the past, therefore we shan’t hear a word you say lalalalallalala. It also serves the purpose of intimidating potential witnesses. You think you want to provide the American people with information about the Trump Administration’s doings? You _really_ think you want to? Watch Matt Gaetz spend ten minutes hurling the nastiest of insults at John Dean, and think again! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11650 "2019-06-11T00:04:20Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … and not even being broadcast on MSNBC. CSPAN had the hearing on briefly, but even they cut away. No one is broadcasting it, which completely sucks. …a cautionary tale to those who believe that impeachment hearings in 2019 are going to have the same impact as they did in 1974. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11651 "2019-06-11T01:01:16Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Some Twitter updates [here](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1). Thank you. I took a friend to the Amtrak station to see her off home, so missed whatever may have been live broadcast from about 1:30 PDT till now. She has Verizon internet access on her iPhone, so we did watch a little over a late lunch. McQuade and Vance were masterful, and John Dean was surprisingly fresh and sharp. Takes a lot to rattle him. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11652 "2019-06-11T01:08:58Z")
Just saw a twitter clip of the Gaetz - Dean exchange. Holy crap, did Gaetz get owned. Kinda reminded me of this: ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11653 "2019-06-11T04:04:28Z")
I didn’t see all four hours of the proceedings, but Dean seemed to consistently get the better of his Republican attackers from what I saw. He, Vance and McQuade did a great job. Today’s hearing doesn’t appear to have received a high level of attention in the news, so I’m not sure how much it’s going to push the needle with the general public. It’s good that Vance and McQuade’s high-quality analysis has now been put down on record with the committee, though, and essentially preserved for history, as MSNBC videos on Youtube might not last forever. I wonder if the biggest potential effect might perhaps even be on the Republican members of the committee. Having had to listen to Dean, Vance and McQuade for hours, they should now at least have a better understanding of what this committee’s investigation is about, especially if they haven’t read the Mueller report and/or are only aware of the Barr/Fox News version of things. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11654 "2019-06-11T05:40:51Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Wheres that guy who kept talking about Kilimnik? > > [https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/447394-key-figure-that-mueller-report-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department%3Famp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/447394-key-figure-that-mueller-report-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department%3famp) > > Lol. Turns out the guy was working for the FBI informing on Yanukovych. > > “State officials told the FBI that although Kilimnik had Ukrainian and Russian residences, he did not appear to hold any allegiance to Moscow and was critical of Russia’s invasion of the Crimean territory of Ukraine. > > “Most sources of information in Ukraine were slanted in one direction or another,” Kasanof told agents. “Kilimnik came across as less slanted than others.” > > “Kilimnik was flabbergasted at the Russian invasion of Crimea,” the FBI added, summarizing Kasanof’s interview with agents.” I’m Kirill guy not Kilimnik guy, but I’d be curious to know what you see in that that’s exonerating of anyone? Are you under the impression that people who work for anyone who gives them some money are more or less reliable and trustworthy than those who choose a master and stick to them? ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11655 "2019-06-11T07:50:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …a cautionary tale to those who believe that impeachment hearings in 2019 are going to have the same impact as they did in 1974. That’s no doubt true, but there were no principals involved today, it’s not that surprising that a helicopter crash in Manhattan trumped it. I’m also guessing CNN and MSNBC might have had some qualms about showing the testimony of their pundits live, notwithstanding their qualifications credentials-wise. Dean missed a great chance when the Repub asked him if they should get out some candles and a Ouija board to summon up Nixon, or whatever exactly he said. Dean shoulda said, “Well, we can try it if you want.” If I have to, I will buy the PPV to see Jim The Wrestling Goon Jordan vs. Mueller. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11656 "2019-06-11T09:52:09Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > That’s no doubt true, but there were no principals involved today, it’s not that surprising that a helicopter crash in Manhattan trumped it. > > I’m also guessing CNN and MSNBC might have had some qualms about showing the testimony of their pundits live, notwithstanding their qualifications credentials-wise. In 1973-74, there were a handful of major networks that all wanted to get the same story. In 2019, there are hundreds of networks, and there are millions of websites. People use computers more than they watch TV. It’s harder to keep our attention these days, which is why I think that comparisons to Watergate are simply not that valid. The way to get Americans’ attention is to hand them a pink slip, or to make them worry they might get one soon. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11657 "2019-06-11T11:55:41Z")
Even the Washington Post today had just a mention of it about 1/3 of the way down their home page. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11658 "2019-06-11T12:06:24Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Even the Washington Post today had just a mention of it about 1/3 of the way down their home page. Think about what the Washington Post was in the early 1970s. It was one of the most widely-read and respected newspapers in the country, and while it’s still a good source of information, there’s a generation today that has grown up with daily newspapers mostly free and online. The pace of news moves so much faster. The volume of news is so much greater. We live in a different world. Teenagers today aren’t going to come home, turn on the news, and watch hours of live hearings with mom, dad, and crazy Uncle Bob shouting at the screen with his can of Schaeffer’s in hand - they’re just not. Sorry. They’ll probably come home and whip out the Playstation instead while the parents watch Netflix and crazy Uncle Bob types in all caps on Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11659 "2019-06-12T00:42:04Z")
Why are you all comparing actual impeachment hearings with… whatever is happening in Congress now? Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11660 "2019-06-12T00:42:25Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > … If I have to, I will buy the PPV to see Jim The Wrestling Goon Jordan vs. Mueller. Oh, man, that would be epic. A face-off of _any_ of the modern-day Three Stooges (Jordan, Gaetz, and Gohmert) versus Mueller, would set a pay-per-view sales record. (Well, among politics nerds, anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11661 "2019-06-12T00:44:24Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Why are you all comparing actual impeachment hearings with… whatever is happening in Congress now? Are you claiming that labeling what’s happening in Congress “impeachment hearings” would substantially change the situation–namely, lack of interest/lack of viewership–being discussed? If so, on what basis? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11662 "2019-06-12T01:40:21Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Are you claiming that labeling what’s happening in Congress “impeachment hearings” would substantially change the situation–namely, lack of interest/lack of viewership–being discussed? > > If so, on what basis? Yes because simply calling it Impeachment Proceedings will change the narrative in the media. Are you honestly telling me that the media that is breathlessly asking Pelosi Nadler and anyone else in Congress whether they want to impeach that should actual impeachment start that it would be business as usual? Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=582) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=584)