# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 585
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11683 "2019-06-13T16:54:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Well, just to be clear, I never advocated pitchforks and burning everything to the ground. I did have a shit fit or two in which I fantasized about throwing Trump voters in education camps, but I was under the assumption nobody here took it seriously. I’ll settle for taking back control of the White House and the DoJ, and using the criminal justice system to prosecute, convict, and imprison most of the Trump White House once there’s enough evidence of their corruption and treason in hand. > > But I digress… > > Actually, what I’ve written is not at all inconsistent – not at all. > > It’s you guys who have been saying “Chill out, Mueller’s got this.” And “Chill out, we just took back the House.” And I’ve been telling you all along that these fuckers don’t play by rules. I’ve got several “Cut it out, Chicken Little” threads floating around here but the funny thing is, it’s you guys who are now freaking out. I still am myself, but I’ve seen this one coming for a while. > > What I am saying is stop being so fucking naive as to believe that impeachment is going to get you any more mileage than 2 years and change of non-stop Mueller, Russia, Cohen, Comey, Sessions, Barr, and whoever else press. Mueller’s investigation has already indicted 34 people – thirty - fucking - four. And have Donald Trump’s poll numbers changed? Nope. > > You wanna know why? Because 46% out of the electorate voted for a guy who was already pretty shady to begin with, who was a racist, who suggested that his political rival be bumped off, who suggested in front of a Super Bowl type audience that he’d put his political rival in jail. Sorry, dude, but impeachment ain’t gonna fix a fucking thing. And deep down, everyone here knows it. They just want to do it because they think it’ll feel good. But that’s dumb, because the way you beat a guy like Trump is not through procedures, or rules, or regulations, or the constitution, because he’s already made it clear, that’s your battlefield, not his. > > Donald Trump is a populist. He won as a populist politician. That is the base and the source of his power. He appeals in particular to white people who feel a need to dominate others, and who believe that it is more important to have a society based on ethnic hierarchy than it is an inclusive society in which people share the fruits of our collective achievements and production. The way you change that isn’t through impeachment; you change it by communicating with them and explaining to them over and over again why they’re wrong (as politely as you can, I suppose). Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders are admittedly better at that part than I am, which is why they’re running for office and I’m not. > > As I’ve said again and again, impeachment might be a thing down the road if Trump becomes so unhinged that he starts to scare even his base. But not until then. In the meantime, Democrats would do far more damage to Trump if they’d start visiting flood stricken farms and farms ravaged by the trade war and explain why a) climate change is a thing, b) trade wars don’t work, and c) how Donald Trump will only help himself and his cronies at their expense. Better yet, just explain how they can help them. After all, people vote out of self interest. And then go visit Hispanic communities in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, and explain how Latino voters can end the nightmare of the Trump presidency. And visit every other place and do the same thing with a range of issues. My concern is that if Democrats go for impeachment, it will either a) result in a quick acquittal, or b) drag on and be such a huge topic that it will drown out their message, which is really a lot more important than just embarrassing Trump politically. I don’t mind your positions, but your certainty and arrogance are often so condescending that you cross into self-parody, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11684 "2019-06-13T16:59:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t mind your positions, but your certainty and arrogance are often so condescending that you cross into self-parody, IMO. I agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11685 "2019-06-13T17:27:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … > As I’ve said again and again, impeachment might be a thing down the road if Trump becomes so unhinged that he starts to scare even his base. But not until then. In the meantime, Democrats would do far more damage to Trump if they’d start visiting flood stricken farms and farms ravaged by the trade war and explain why a) climate change is a thing, b) trade wars don’t work, and c) how Donald Trump will only help himself and his cronies at their expense. Better yet, just explain how they can help them. After all, people vote out of self interest. And then go visit Hispanic communities in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, and explain how Latino voters can end the nightmare of the Trump presidency. And visit every other place and do the same thing with a range of issues. My concern is that if Democrats go for impeachment, it will either a) result in a quick acquittal, or b) drag on and be such a huge topic that it will drown out their message, which is really a lot more important than just embarrassing Trump politically. I think this makes perfect sense. The downside of a failed impeachment (and as long as McConnell is running the Senate, impeachment _will_ fail to remove Trump) is too horrible to contemplate: an unfettered Trump for another 6 years. It’s not worth the risk. So the Democratic field has to do everything they can to make sure that the investigative muck sticks to Trump, and present themselves as a positive alternative. The \*real \*problem is that 43% of the electorate is hopelessly cynical + completely removed from the norms and traditions of the Constitution + dumber than a bag of hammers. It’ll take a lot of work to fix that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11686 "2019-06-13T18:17:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t mind your positions, but your certainty and arrogance are often so condescending that you cross into self-parody, IMO. I won’t disagree with you - I know I go overboard sometimes, especially on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night after I’ve had a few pops. But let’s be honest: this is SDMB. I’d say a lot of us are pretty proud of ourselves from time to time, ain’t we? I’ve felt the smug, as much as I’ve given it. I digress - I don’t wanna make another thread about me. :o ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11687 "2019-06-18T21:35:50Z")
> **[William Barr’s Justice Department Is Now Openly Running Legal Interference...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/paul-manafort-william-barr-new-york-prison.html)** > > The DOJ is creating the impression that it wants to keep Manafort comfortable while Trump prepares his pardon. The magic hands of Bill Barr gets Manafort out of Riker’s.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11688 "2019-06-19T01:23:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [William Barr's Justice Department runs interference for Paul Manafort.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/paul-manafort-william-barr-new-york-prison.html) > > The magic hands of Bill Barr gets Manafort out of Riker’s.:rolleyes: For the purposes of accuracy, it’s surely time to change the name of the place Barr works: from “Department of Justice” to “Department of Trump-Protection.” (There’s always still a danger of Manafort becoming more cooperative with ongoing investigations if he gets too unhappy…) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11689 "2019-06-19T04:11:55Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > For the purposes of accuracy, it’s surely time to change the name of the place Barr works: from “Department of Justice” to “Department of Trump-Protection.” Whether that’s how Eric Holder actually acted in his position or not, I couldn’t say, but it’s certainly what Trump seemed to be aiming to hire based on how he lamented not having his own “Eric Holder to protect him”. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11690 "2019-06-19T04:38:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > For the purposes of accuracy, it’s surely time to change the name of the place Barr works: from “Department of Justice” to “Department of Trump-Protection.” > > (There’s always still a danger of Manafort becoming more cooperative with ongoing investigations if he gets too unhappy…) How long before Trump issues an executive order to have _lèse-majesté_ punishable in the US. Seriously, I’m really not seeing all that much difference between him and Scudder at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11691 "2019-06-19T23:11:57Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Whether that’s how Eric Holder actually acted in his position or not, I couldn’t say, but it’s certainly what Trump seemed to be aiming to hire based on how he lamented not having his own “Eric Holder to protect him”. I’m not Holder’s biggest fan, but the idea that he conducted himself in any way analogous to the way Barr has behaved, seems quite unfair to Holder. Of course no one would expect Trump to understand such differences. > [@Monty](#): > > How long before Trump issues an executive order to have _lèse-majesté_ punishable in the US. Seriously, I’m really not seeing all that much difference between him and Scudder at this point. The Heinlein character? At least that character appears to have had enough familiarity with fundamentalist religious thought to be able to construct a government based on it. The same can’t be said for “Two Corinthians” Donald. In any case, a bet that Trump hasn’t asked—repeatedly—if he can have critics jailed, would almost certainly lose. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11692 "2019-06-20T03:45:32Z")
No extra information beyond the headline that Rosenstein, at some point, expanded the scope of Mueller’s investigation at least a 3rd time: > **[Byron York: Now, word of a mysterious third 'scope memo' for Robert Mueller](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-now-word-of-a-mysterious-third-scope-memo-for-robert-mueller)** > > The 448-page Mueller report has been public for two months, so it might seem strange that the Justice Department's original instructions to special counsel Robert Mueller, outlining what he was assigned to investigate, are still a secret. But they... As said, there’s no more information than what I just said. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11693 "2019-06-20T09:23:04Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > No extra information beyond the headline that Rosenstein, at some point, expanded the scope of Mueller’s investigation at least a 3rd time: > > [Byron York: Now, word of a mysterious third ‘scope memo’ for Robert Mueller - Washington Examiner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-now-word-of-a-mysterious-third-scope-memo-for-robert-mueller) > > As said, there’s no more information than what I just said. I don’t suppose this appears in any other, more…_reliable_… news sources? The Washington Examiner is not exactly the go-to news organ for the reality-based readership. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11694 "2019-06-20T16:50:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I don’t suppose this appears in any other, more…_reliable_… news sources? The Washington Examiner is not exactly the go-to news organ for the reality-based readership. It was the only right-wing news source to say that the caravan conspiracy theory was a load of crap, and mediabiasfactcheck gives it high truthfulness: > **[Washington Examiner - Bias and Credibility](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/)** > > RIGHT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may Obviously it is a right wing source, but that’s different from lying. It’s probably about as honest as Vox or someplace like that. There’s only so much you can do when the writers are partisan. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11695 "2019-06-20T22:35:38Z")
Hope Hicks transcript from (I believe) yesterday: > **[Hope Hicks Transcript | PDF | Testimony | Government](https://www.scribd.com/document/414008581/Hicks-Transcript#from_embed)** > > House Judiciary Committee released transcript with Hope Hicks I’m on page 22. As yet, it’s a load of “Nope.” The White House has told her to say exactly nothing and, apparently, she is going with that. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11696 "2019-06-20T23:25:59Z")
Reading some more of it, I have to say that Pelosi messed up by keeping Schiff and Nadler as the heads of their committees (on the Democratic side). Obviously, Schiff isn’t part of the Hicks debacle, but my [earlier recommendation](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21562432&postcount=13) holds: You’re not going to win this one by playing politics. Do this for real and by the book. If you’re just doing things to make a statement and/or spin it one way or the other, then you’re wasting the country’s time. And, particularly in the case where there’s actually a case to be made, goofing off and letting things fall by the wayside is stupid. Granted, to be fair, there could be more to this than we know. It could be that this is all cover, while the FBI tracks down the bigger fish, but I have no reason to believe that to be the case at the moment. Specifically, as one of the Republicans points out and liable is true, Nadler has been sending out subpoenas to individuals, rather than to the organizations who own the documents. And, I personally note, he’s simply accepting Executive immunity, despite that being something completely irrelevant for an impeachment hearing and it was already pretty clear that he was just going to get a load of nope if he’s going to accept all of the various privileges enjoyed by the Executive branch. And if, for whatever reason, he genuinely didn’t realize that the White House was going to object to all testimony going into this, it certainly should have been his key takeaway after. Instead, his statements after the hearing were just, “They refused to answer. I’m helpless against that, what do you want me to do?” Do your job. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11697 "2019-06-21T01:34:20Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Reading some more of it, I have to say that Pelosi messed up by keeping Schiff and Nadler as the heads of their committees (on the Democratic side). Obviously, Schiff isn’t part of the Hicks debacle, but my [earlier recommendation](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21562432&postcount=13) holds: You’re not going to win this one by playing politics. Do this for real and by the book. If you’re just doing things to make a statement and/or spin it one way or the other, then you’re wasting the country’s time. And, particularly in the case where there’s actually a case to be made, goofing off and letting things fall by the wayside is stupid. > > Granted, to be fair, there could be more to this than we know. It could be that this is all cover, while the FBI tracks down the bigger fish, but I have no reason to believe that to be the case at the moment. > > Specifically, as one of the Republicans points out and liable is true, Nadler has been sending out subpoenas to individuals, rather than to the organizations who own the documents. And, I personally note, he’s simply accepting Executive immunity, despite that being something completely irrelevant for an impeachment hearing and it was already pretty clear that he was just going to get a load of nope if he’s going to accept all of the various privileges enjoyed by the Executive branch. And if, for whatever reason, he genuinely didn’t realize that the White House was going to object to all testimony going into this, it certainly should have been his key takeaway after. Instead, his statements after the hearing were just, “They refused to answer. I’m helpless against that, what do you want me to do?” > > Do your job. I don’t think you understand what Chairmen Nadler and Schiff are there to do. They _are_ doing their job. You have an occupant in the Oval Office who is unlawfully asserting a privilege that does not exist, in order to prevent lawful testimony being heard by congressional committees tasked with the legitimate purpose of oversight. Additionally, you have an Attorney General who is acting wholly outside his authority, taking on the position of protector of his master and disregarding any part of his job that is in conflict with that objective – including ignoring any enforcement duties that would ordinarily fall to the DOJ on behalf of Congress. In short, there is little Nadler can expect from Barr to undertake enforcement of congressional subpoenas and/or arrest warrants. This is an unparalleled situation that Nadler and Schiff face. It has never happened before. So Nadler and Schiff are left with only the courts as their final remedy to this ongoing, dangerous, anti-democratic course of conduct. What Nadler is doing is creating a record. He is demonstrating to any future court that will rule on these issues, perhaps even the Supreme Court setting precedent, just how many ways he attempted to work with the Executive Branch, how many times he gave them the opportunity to do the right thing. He is working to box those courts in, not give them any opportunity to say, “Gosh, Chairman Nadler, why didn’t you give the Executive Branch the chance to do fill-in-the-blank?” Triers of fact do this all the time. It’s referred to as appeal-proofing your case. The judge – in this case, Nadler or Schiff or whomever is responsible for establishing the facts before them – bends over backward to accommodate an adverse party, usually the defendant, so the defendant cannot later make an argument to an appellate court that he was not afforded an opportunity to address his/her concerns. Let them do their job. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11698 "2019-06-21T12:29:50Z")
And to get back to the original criticism, Pelosi isn’t the final arbiter of who is the committee chair or indeed, the committee membership. As Speaker she is first among equals and has a big influence but is not the only voice. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11699 "2019-06-21T13:33:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I don’t think you understand what Chairmen Nadler and Schiff are there to do. They _are_ doing their job. > > You have an occupant in the Oval Office who is unlawfully asserting a privilege that does not exist, in order to prevent lawful testimony being heard by congressional committees tasked with the legitimate purpose of oversight. > > Additionally, you have an Attorney General who is acting wholly outside his authority, taking on the position of protector of his master and disregarding any part of his job that is in conflict with that objective – including ignoring any enforcement duties that would ordinarily fall to the DOJ on behalf of Congress. > > In short, there is little Nadler can expect from Barr to undertake enforcement of congressional subpoenas and/or arrest warrants. This is an unparalleled situation that Nadler and Schiff face. It has never happened before. > > So Nadler and Schiff are left with only the courts as their final remedy to this ongoing, dangerous, anti-democratic course of conduct. > > What Nadler is doing is creating a record. He is demonstrating to any future court that will rule on these issues, perhaps even the Supreme Court setting precedent, just how many ways he attempted to work with the Executive Branch, how many times he gave them the opportunity to do the right thing. He is working to box those courts in, not give them any opportunity to say, “Gosh, Chairman Nadler, why didn’t you give the Executive Branch the chance to do fill-in-the-blank?” > > Triers of fact do this all the time. It’s referred to as appeal-proofing your case. The judge – in this case, Nadler or Schiff or whomever is responsible for establishing the facts before them – bends over backward to accommodate an adverse party, usually the defendant, so the defendant cannot later make an argument to an appellate court that he was not afforded an opportunity to address his/her concerns. > > Let them do their job. They could threaten contempt and inherent contempt, which doesn’t need Barr, unless they specifically invoke executive privilege. Right now, they’re just planning on wasting time in courts over a privilege that doesn’t even exist (absolute immunity). Then at least they could get on to the real fight instead of this gish gallop stuff that the administration is pulling. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11700 "2019-06-21T14:44:59Z")
After reading the beginning of the transcript, they should just skip challenging “absolute immunity” and apply whatever sanction they can to Hicks. She herself didn’t assert or claim any privilege, she just refused to answer questions. That’s on her. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11701 "2019-06-21T15:39:12Z")
What was the phrase in her local vernacular? Oh yes - “LOCK HER UP”. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11702 "2019-06-21T15:55:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > What was the phrase in her local vernacular? Oh yes - “LOCK HER UP”. The problem with this is that Hicks is a young, attractive, white female. Coming down hard on her is going to elicit major sympathy points from the public at large. It shouldn’t be that way, it sucks that its that way, but that is the way it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=584) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=586)