# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 587
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11723 "2019-06-22T18:30:34Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I said that the path is to get there faster. We’re basically fucked. The solution is to get fucked faster. > > Announce impeachment hearings. Throw in everything from Russia to Montenegro to the IRGC to making jokes about being President for life to making threatening calls to Joe Scarbarough to arresting asylum seekers illegally to whatever all else that Trump has done that is an impeachable offense. > > Have the White House completely refuse to cooperate. > > Take it to the Supreme Court, and have them decide that Congressional oversight - particularly for impeachment - allows no refusal. > > And then we get to the scene where the Congressional are raiding the offices of the DOJ to arrest people for Contempt of Congress. That’s where we’re going. The fastest path there is the safest one. This is why I wanted Mueller to subpoena Trump. He probably would have refused, the SC would order him to comply, and the ultimate showdown would have happened by now. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11724 "2019-06-22T19:15:04Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > This is why I wanted Mueller to subpoena Trump. He probably would have refused, the SC would order him to comply, and the ultimate showdown would have happened by now. Instead Mueller may go down in history as the pathetically weak Special Counsel who’s sense of what is “fair” helped to doom the country. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11725 "2019-06-22T21:45:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Instead Mueller may go down in history as the pathetically weak Special Counsel who’s sense of what is “fair” helped to doom the country. It wasn’t Mueller’s job to provoke a constitutional crisis, and Rosenstein probably wouldn’t have allowed him to anyway. And if he had wanted to subpoena Trump and Rosenstein nixed it and Mueller quit as a result (which he wouldn’t have), that wouldn’t have gained anything either. I was just being selfish. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11726 "2019-06-22T22:15:51Z")
I suspect that Mueller had a fairly clear set of rules outlined for himself before he began. If Trump formed a genuine deal with Russia, then he would go as far as need-be. But if it was just something funny like Obstruction of Justice or paying off women that he’d slept with, then he’d leave it to Congress. Most likely, Trump’s genuine deal is with Saudi Arabia - though, likely, the Russians have something compromising on him. Ideally, the FBI and CIA are still tracking forwards on both of those. Fortunately, I think that the Senate Republicans are largely aware that Trump is probably compromised, and they’re voting to block him from doing stuff that they doubt the intentions of and putting sanctions on people that they think have materials on Trump. Unfortunately, they’re not impeaching him. Presumably, because they’re protecting their own asses and don’t want Trump sinking the party. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11727 "2019-06-26T01:15:11Z")
Mueller agrees to testify before Congress… > **[Mueller to testify publicly on July 17 following a subpoena | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/25/politics/robert-mueller-will-testify/index.html)** > > Robert Mueller will testify before Congress on July 17 after House Democrats issued a subpoena for his appearance, a move that paves the way for a reluctant special counsel to answer questions publicly for the first time about his 22-month... ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11728 "2019-06-26T01:17:33Z")
[_ **BREAKINGFFFfsfwsf** _](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1143685822992015363) … > [@](#): > > Breaking: Inbox: Today, House Judiciary Chair Nadler and House Intelligence Chair Schiff announced that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has agreed to testify pursuant to a subpoena before both the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees in open session on Wednesday, July 17, 2019. ETA: Ninja’d again! It took me a few minutes to get it to stop auto-decapitalizing all my letters… ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11729 "2019-06-26T01:22:46Z")
[He can talk…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOeUXEpxzcc&feature=youtu.be&t=32) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11730 "2019-06-26T01:37:01Z")
Brace for hurricane-force blasts of explosive Twitterrhea… ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11731 "2019-06-26T01:44:36Z")
I’m not sure what people expect. He already said everything he has to say is in the report. I don’t expect much. I hope I’m wrong ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11732 "2019-06-26T01:48:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not sure what people expect. He already said everything he has to say is in the report. I don’t expect much. I hope I’m wrong Yeah, kind of like there not being much difference between _A Song of Ice and Fire_ and _Game of Thrones_… except the trivial matter of audience size… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11733 "2019-06-26T02:10:52Z")
The AP says it’s happening. > **[Democrats hope Mueller testimony will have 'profound impact'](https://apnews.com/article/5d90622646ae4aa3b3038859ce15a46e)** > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee says he expects special counsel Robert Mueller to have "a profound impact" when he testifies before Congress on July 17, even though Mueller has said he won't provide any new... > [@](#): > > Democrats said Tuesday evening that Robert Mueller has agreed to testify publicly July 17 before the House Judiciary and intelligence committees after both panels issued subpoenas to him. > > House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff said in a joint statement that the special counsel has agreed to testify about the report he issued in April about possible Russian connections to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. The Justice Department declined to comment. > > Schiff told reporters shortly after the announcement that Mueller was reluctant to testify but agreed to honor the subpoenas. He said there will be two hearings “back to back,” one for each committee, and they will also meet with him in closed session afterward. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11734 "2019-06-26T02:17:38Z")
“Robert Mueller to Testify Before House Committees” > **[Mueller to Testify to Congress, Setting Up a Political Spectacle (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/us/politics/robert-mueller-testify.html)** > > Robert S. Mueller III, the former special counsel, agreed to testify on July 17, two House panels said after issuing subpoenas to compel his appearance. > [@](#): > > … > Coming nearly three months after therelease of Mr. Mueller’s report, the back-to-back hearings before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees promise to be must-see television and hold the potential to reshape the political landscape around Mr. Trump’s presidency and a possible impeachment by the House. > > Mr. Mueller, who hasspoken publicly only once about his work, resisted taking the witness stand, where he will face questions both from Democrats eager to employ him to build a case against Mr. Trump and Republicans eager to vindicate the president’s innocence. > > In the end, the two committees were forced to issue subpoenas compelling Mr. Mueller to appear. > … I just wanted to get on the bandwagon. Late. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11735 "2019-06-26T02:39:20Z")
What bombshells should be expect from Mueller’s testimony? He’s proven that, in this case at least, he’s a balls-and-strikes bureaucrat who is apparently content to review evidence of massive criminality and say “Welp, technically I did all I can do. You guys read between the lines and figure out the rest.” Don’t forget this part: “In the end, the two committees were forced to issue subpoenas compelling Mr. Mueller to appear.” I can see Democrats dancing around trying to get him to answer hypotheticals and he’ll be like “I can’t answer a hypothetical”. Bookmark this thread; I’ll joyfully accept correction next month if I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11736 "2019-06-26T02:52:47Z")
If it ain’t public and on tee-vee, it don’t mean shit. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11737 "2019-06-26T03:02:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > If it ain’t public and on tee-vee, it don’t mean shit. It’s public and on tv. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11738 "2019-06-26T03:05:40Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It’s public and on tv. But is it on _Fox & Friends_? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11739 "2019-06-26T03:16:06Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I can see Democrats dancing around trying to get him to answer hypotheticals and he’ll be like “I can’t answer a hypothetical”. > > Bookmark this thread; I’ll joyfully accept correction next month if I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am. Agreed. If the Dems look like shitbags asking if he thinks Trump obstructed justice. And we’ll hear, read the report again. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11740 "2019-06-26T09:16:35Z")
Even if all they get Mueller to do is read publicly the most damming parts of his report live on TV, that would have incredible value. Things are just different when they’re on TV from the horse’s mouth. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11741 "2019-06-26T10:16:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Even if all they get Mueller to do is read publicly the most damming parts of his report live on TV, that would have incredible value. Things are just different when they’re on TV from the horse’s mouth. I don’t think he’s gonna un-redact anything spicy on live TV. The man doesn’t seem to possess that kind of spontaneity. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11742 "2019-06-26T10:18:14Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I don’t think he’s gonna un-redact anything spicy on live TV. The man doesn’t seem to possess that kind of spontaneity. He wouldn’t have to. There is plenty of stuff in the unredacted report that shows the Trump narrative is a lie, but lots of folks are unaware of. To see Mueller saying that stuff on live TV would be much, much more valuable than just having it out there in newspapers and on the internet. It really is different when it’s on TV, and can be replayed over and over again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=586) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=588)