# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 588
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11743 "2019-06-26T10:53:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m not sure what people expect. He already said everything he has to say is in the report. I don’t expect much. I hope I’m wrong The point is to get him to repeat the findings out loud. Most people haven’t read the report, but will see soundbites on TV and social media. There doesn’t have to be anything new. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11744 "2019-06-26T11:10:23Z")
He’ll claim Absolute Immunity (or whatever they claimed for Hope Hicks). Just y’all watch. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11745 "2019-06-26T11:35:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The point is to get him to repeat the findings out loud. Most people haven’t read the report, but will see soundbites on TV and social media. There doesn’t have to be anything new. And then the Republicans will spin it as “This is nothing new, it’s been out in the report for months now. How sad that the Democrats are reduced to having Mueller narrate a report that’s already old news.” I’m not happy about it, just not clear why the same old pattern wouldn’t successfully play out again. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11746 "2019-06-26T11:42:39Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > And then the Republicans will spin it as “This is nothing new, it’s been out in the report for months now. How sad that the Democrats are reduced to having Mueller narrate a report that’s already old news.” > > I’m not happy about it, just not clear why the same old pattern wouldn’t successfully play out again. It’s about baby steps and picking at the margins. Trump’s base is immovable, but there are others out there who just haven’t heard. And it’s already been working – opnions have, slowly but steadily, shifted on the findings of the Mueller report. This will help continue that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11747 "2019-06-26T11:58:57Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > And then the Republicans will spin it as “This is nothing new, it’s been out in the report for months now. How sad that the Democrats are reduced to having Mueller narrate a report that’s already old news.” > > I’m not happy about it, just not clear why the same old pattern wouldn’t successfully play out again. We need to get over censoring ourselves over the fear of what Republicans might say. This kind of second guessing is self destructive. Democrats need to stand up for their principles without cowering from imagined spin from Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11748 "2019-06-26T12:13:40Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > He’ll claim Absolute Immunity (or whatever they claimed for Hope Hicks). Just y’all watch. It’s not impossible. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11749 "2019-06-26T13:24:25Z")
Think of that woman who was interviewed recently, who said without rancor or guile that she got all her news from right-leaning sources, and she honestly had no idea that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate Trump. So this hearing is for her. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11750 "2019-06-26T13:41:25Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Think of that woman who was interviewed recently, who said without rancor or guile that she got all her news from right-leaning sources, and she honestly had no idea that the Mueller report didn’t completely exonerate Trump. > > So this hearing is for her. Except there’s no guarantee she’ll watch the hearings. Most likely she’ll just watch whatever FOX has to say about them. I fervently hope it works out otherwise, but I am not…optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11751 "2019-06-26T15:00:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Even if all they get Mueller to do is read publicly the most damming parts of his report live on TV, that would have incredible value. Let’s hope Mueller’s testimony opens the floodgates. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11752 "2019-06-26T15:10:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Even if all they get Mueller to do is read publicly the most damming parts of his report live on TV, that would have incredible value. Things are just different when they’re on TV from the horse’s mouth. This ^^^ Just read excerpts of the report out loud and get him to answer questions related to it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11753 "2019-06-26T15:10:56Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Except there’s no guarantee she’ll watch the hearings. Most likely she’ll just watch whatever FOX has to say about them. Still, the seed has been planted. She’s already expressed awareness that she’s been using only “right wing sources” of news, and further that other sources have reported things they don’t. The seed may yet sprout. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11754 "2019-06-26T15:12:23Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Let’s hope Mueller’s testimony opens the floodgates. I think that if the Dems play their cards right, this could be essentially the next best thing to an impeachment hearing. It may or may not lead to impeachment proceedings, but if nothing else it plants a seed in the minds of more impressionable voters. It could be devastating to his support among independents, which is already underwater. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11755 "2019-06-26T15:15:03Z")
I have no confidence that the Democrats will “play this right” nor that Mueller will reveal anything particularly groundbreaking, nor that the people who currently believe that the Mueller report exonerates Trump will be swayed in any way by this. But one can hope. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11756 "2019-06-26T15:59:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I have no confidence that the Democrats will “play this right” nor that Mueller will reveal anything particularly groundbreaking, nor that the people who currently believe that the Mueller report exonerates Trump will be swayed in any way by this. > > But one can hope. I’d rather have the Mueller Report reading round table telethon than nothing at all. Unlike others, I don’t hold out hope that any of Trump’s legal and ethical transgressions are going to move the needle in terms of his public support. People didn’t vote for Trump because he’s a good guy; they voted for him because they thought he’d be somewhat effective at jamming through right wing legislation. Considering he had two years of total control of the government and couldn’t really do that, I think what will eventually do him in is his inability to run the government and the cowardice (not to mention depravity and greed) of his fellow Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11757 "2019-06-26T16:01:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It could be devastating to his support among independents, which is already underwater. I agree. Democrats and Justin Amash have been floating the idea of impeachment for a while now, and Mueller’s testimony could be just what is needed to get independent voters all aboard with the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11758 "2019-06-26T16:27:18Z")
Trump, in Fox Business interview, [accuses Robert Mueller](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mueller-testimony-153232343.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL0lIaklqclRjQVg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADqQM7mIK_E-iko5viIDGWQPIar4pGX1WVu7G5alo1QRopP9WRAx1pxoM6Fx6jkPxBdyFcDKO5sRHY63O-hvaqc60dRTNZ0IvnnK3zjx25yHBTe4Yvfy8WJoSoy_tmEL2jiPsST-UlxFZ6DyWQ8uFMMgStNK1we4xctnro_jiAo6) of committing a crime: > [@](#): > > “Here’s the problem, Robert Mueller, they worked for him, and the two lovers were together, and they had texts back and forth, emails back and forth,” Trump told Bartiromo. “Mueller terminated them illegally. He terminated the emails. He terminated all of the stuff between Strzok and Page. You know, they sung like you’ve never seen. Robert Mueller terminated their text messages together. He terminated them. They’re gone. And that’s illegal. That’s a crime.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11759 "2019-06-26T16:50:18Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’d rather have the Mueller Report reading round table telethon than nothing at all. I’m sorry I missed [the theatrical production](https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEMMmZscrCCSU8eQyvihIiXMqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowr6T_CjD1tPgCMNKcpAY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen) at Riverside Church in New York. Kevin Kline performed Mueller’s lines. Jason Alexander as Chris Christie. Trump himself? John Lithgow. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11760 "2019-06-26T17:15:44Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Trump, in Fox Business interview, [accuses Robert Mueller](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mueller-testimony-153232343.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvL0lIaklqclRjQVg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADqQM7mIK_E-iko5viIDGWQPIar4pGX1WVu7G5alo1QRopP9WRAx1pxoM6Fx6jkPxBdyFcDKO5sRHY63O-hvaqc60dRTNZ0IvnnK3zjx25yHBTe4Yvfy8WJoSoy_tmEL2jiPsST-UlxFZ6DyWQ8uFMMgStNK1we4xctnro_jiAo6) of committing a crime: Too bad I can’t watch this until I get home later today–“especially unhinged, even by his standards.” Sounds like an Instant Trump Classic. [Trump’s unhinged Fox Business interview illustrates how Fox News normalizes Trump](https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18759561/trump-fox-business-interview-mueller) Hours after news of Mueller’s testimony broke, Trump called Maria Bartiromo and melted down on live TV. > [@](#): > > On Wednesday morning, hours after news broke that special counsel Robert Mueller will testify before Congress in a public setting on July 17, President Donald Trump called in to Maria Bartiromo’s Fox Business show for a lengthy phone interview that was especially unhinged, even by his standards. > > It was a surreal affair from start to finish. But even during its wildest moments, Bartiromo pretended to understand what Trump was talking about and acted as though he was making profound points. In that respect, it illustrated how Trump-friendly media — Fox News and Fox Business in particular — normalize an obviously abnormal president. > > The tone was set immediately, as Trump conspiratorially ranted about “people [from the FBI] spying on my campaign” over Bartiromo’s attempts to get a question in. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11761 "2019-06-26T19:17:34Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Too bad I can’t watch this until I get home later today–“especially unhinged, even by his standards.” Sounds like an Instant Trump Classic. > > [Trump’s unhinged Fox Business interview illustrates how Fox News normalizes Trump](https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18759561/trump-fox-business-interview-mueller) > Hours after news of Mueller’s testimony broke, Trump called Maria Bartiromo and melted down on live TV. And yet, according to some SDMB posters, we should not believe women who accuse him of rape, sexual assault, or sexual harassment. Because those women are _making things up._ ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11762 "2019-06-26T19:23:20Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Too bad I can’t watch this until I get home later today–“especially unhinged, even by his standards.” Sounds like an Instant Trump Classic. > > [Trump’s unhinged Fox Business interview illustrates how Fox News normalizes Trump](https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18759561/trump-fox-business-interview-mueller) > Hours after news of Mueller’s testimony broke, Trump called Maria Bartiromo and melted down on live TV. I think the last time he decided to bitch on live on TV, he also called in to Bartiromo. Poor lady. I guess we know when it’s TV time for Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=587) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=589)