# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 593
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11843 "2019-07-23T20:35:20Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I think a fair question would be “If it were not for DOJ policy as quoted on xxx of the report, would you have moved to charge DJT with Criminal Obstruction” > > Its not a hypothetical, its not outside of the report and it drives straight to the heart of the matter of Barr’s misrepresentation of the report. Perhaps better wording might be: _“Besides DOJ policy as quoted (etc.), what were reasons that you did not move to charge?”_ 'Course, he might simply say that the DOJ policy made consideration of other factors moot, so he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11844 "2019-07-23T20:52:04Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > 'Course, he might simply say that the DOJ policy made consideration of other factors moot, so he didn’t. That’s exactly what he’s going to say and about all he’s going to say. Any question like, “Would you have charged Trump if not for the DOJ policy?” will be answered with some form of, “Because of the DOJ I did not and will not consider such a hypothetical.” He’s not going to say he would have charged him, but he also sure as fuck isn’t going to say there was insufficient evidence. Insufficient evidence is **Shodan** ’s favorite bedtime story, not anything to do with the Mueller report or reality in general. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11845 "2019-07-23T20:56:11Z")
I expect two things to come of Mueller’s testimony, Jack and Shit. I have formed these expectations after careful consideration of Mueller’s performance to date. I will leave it to Mueller to prove me wrong, which I don’t expect. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11846 "2019-07-23T20:59:09Z")
I was going with Squat, myself. Now, if the Dems could be smart and have the questioner be an actual expert in _something_ (an expert prosecutor, an expert on espionage, something) as opposed to wanting to each grandstand for the cameras, I would raise my Squat to “Probably Nothing”. But they won’t, so I won’t. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11847 "2019-07-23T21:15:18Z")
Mueller is old news. Even if he says something eye-catching, it won’t matter because it just hasn’t captured the average American’s attention, and it never will. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11848 "2019-07-23T23:18:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > From his tweet below the one linked: > > Anyway, twitter threading is counterintuitive, so not surprised if you missed this. I very much missed it, thanks! I’m not a twitterer. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11849 "2019-07-24T00:27:28Z")
I have a gut feeling that Mueller’s request to have another person there with him is going to result in delaying his testimony. Again. Not sure why or how, but that was my first reaction when I read that today. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11850 "2019-07-24T01:58:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I have a gut feeling that Mueller’s request to have another person there with him is going to result in delaying his testimony. Again. Not sure why or how, but that was my first reaction when I read that today. I had that thought, too. We’re all cynical, these days, and it’s usually justified. It would be a flimsy pretext, though, if the DoJ tried to say ‘you can’t have an aide sit next to you’----it’s fairly standard practice. (And all the stories I’m seeing at this hour indicate that it’s going to happen.) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11851 "2019-07-24T02:09:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I had that thought, too. We’re all cynical, these days, and it’s usually justified. > > It would be a flimsy pretext, though, if the DoJ tried to say ‘you can’t have an aide sit next to you’----it’s fairly standard practice. (And all the stories I’m seeing at this hour indicate that it’s going to happen.) I’m pleasantly surprised. \*\*Key Aide Will Appear Alongside Mueller During Hearings \*\* > **[Key Aide Will Appear Alongside Mueller During Hearings (Published 2019)](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/us/politics/mueller-zebley-witness-testimony.html)** > > A top aide to Robert S. Mueller III, Aaron Zebley, will sit next to Mr. Mueller during back-to-back hearings on Wednesday, and will be sworn in as a witness before the House Intelligence Committee. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11852 "2019-07-24T02:10:12Z")
It’s just so weird that the side that says this report exonerated the president seems to want to hide it. I would think they would want it out there. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11853 "2019-07-24T02:21:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It’s just so weird that the side that says this report exonerated the president seems to want to hide it. I would think they would want it out there. If Trump enablers advocated for something that made logical sense, Trump supporters’ heads would implode. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11854 "2019-07-24T02:29:53Z")
[MSNBC producer](https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1153838566864277505): > [@](#): > > Just in on @MSNBC: NBC News is now reporting that Mueller deputy Aaron Zebley will be sworn in as a witness by the House Intelligence Committee. @maddow says that the expectation now is that Zebley will be answering questions alongside Mueller during that second hearing. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11855 "2019-07-24T11:53:23Z")
Mueller: “I’ve been instructed not to comment on that.” Congressman: “Mr. Zebley, if Mr. Mueller could comment, would he be using the phrase ‘guilty as hell’?” ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11856 "2019-07-24T12:21:50Z")
Well, Barr did say Mueller could have reached a conclusion. [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/30/barr\_mueller\_could\_have\_reached\_a\_conclusion\_on\_obstruction\_but\_he\_didnt.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/30/barr_mueller_could_have_reached_a_conclusion_on_obstruction_but_he_didnt.html) So maybe Mueller should do so. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11857 "2019-07-24T13:00:38Z")
It looks like the testimony is live, is anybody watching? (I’m at work.) ETA: I see there’s a follow along thread in Elections. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11858 "2019-07-24T13:10:23Z")
I heard Muellers opening statement on the radio. He mentioned the Russians that where indicted but NOTHING about how many of Trumps team where. Not looking good. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11859 "2019-07-24T14:57:49Z")
Hope this clear things up for you **Shodan**. Lieu: “The reason you did not indict Donald Trump… is because of the OLC decision. Is that correct?” Mueller: “That is correct.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11860 "2019-07-24T15:06:10Z")
Also: Rep. Buck: You believe the President of the United States could be charged with obstruction of justice after he left office? Mueller: Yes. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11861 "2019-07-24T15:09:51Z")
Lesko is kinda losing it. I don’t think she was anywhere prepared to rebut the admission Lieu just got from Mueller. (Sorry, thought this was the commentary thread.) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11862 "2019-07-24T15:42:11Z")
Full exchange that I posted earlier without the ellipses. LIEU: “To recap what we’ve heard, we have heard today that the president ordered former White House counsel Don McGahn to fire you. The president ordered Don McGahn to then cover that up and create a false paper trail, and now we’ve heard the president ordered Corey Lewandowski to tell Jeff Sessions to limit your investigation so that he – you stop investigating the president. I believe a reasonable person looking at these facts could conclude that all three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice have been met, and I would like to ask you the reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?” MUELLER: “That is correct.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=592) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=594)