# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 597
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11923 "2019-07-29T14:16:17Z")
> [@jshore](#): > > P.S. - Of course, Mueller’s high ethical standards didn’t prevent one of the Republi-morons questioning him to launch into this tirade about how Mueller (by saying he could not exonerate Trump) had put Trump “below the law”. Rep. John Ratcliffe, the particular Republi-moron you mention, has been tapped by Trump to replace Dan Coats as DNI, partially on the strength of POTUS’ delight regarding his excoriation of Mueller. Because of course. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11924 "2019-07-29T14:17:11Z")
I mean… just how single am I? “Haven’t had a date in 6-years single” or “happy for now to trawl the waters of Tinder single” or “I’m single because I don’t want to tell her ‘I love you’ single”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11925 "2019-07-29T14:22:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I mean… just how single am I? “Haven’t had a date in 6-years single” or “happy for now to trawl the waters of Tinder single” or “I’m single because I don’t want to tell her ‘I love you’ single”? > > 😉 We’ll go with the “reasonable man” standard and say trawling. Obviously, swap genders as necessary, readers. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11926 "2019-07-29T14:28:29Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > …You meet Geraldine in a supermarket. She’s a good looking woman. You’re single. Do you ask her out? McConnell lays on his back, his belly baking in the hot sun, beating his legs trying to turn himself over, but he can’t. Not without your help. But you’re making popcorn. What brand of popcorn are you making? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11927 "2019-07-29T14:30:26Z")
Jiffy pop. I fuck it up again, burn the damn thing. Tell Mitch “Wait, I gotta restart”. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11928 "2019-07-29T14:33:23Z")
Pop Secret I’m hungry now and the movie’s good. Mitch can wait until the show’s over. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11929 "2019-07-29T15:06:04Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Rep. John Ratcliffe, the particular Republi-moron you mention, has been tapped by Trump to replace Dan Coats as DNI, partially on the strength of POTUS’ delight regarding his excoriation of Mueller. Because of course. I just posted this link in the clusterfuck thread. A recap of why Trump didn’t like Coats and why Trump wants a yes man as DNI: [Trump says Daniel Coats, director of national intelligence, to step down](https://www.vox.com/2019/7/28/1499627/coats-trump-fired-intelligence-north-korea-iran) \*Daniel Coats said what’s happening in the world. In the Trump era, that’s an act of defiance. \* > [@](#): > > Now it looks like Trump picked someone who will tell him what he wants to hear, not what’s true. That’s a huge problem, as the DNI’s job is to give the president the information he needs to make informed policy decisions. > > Which means that while Trump may be happier with whoever his new intelligence director ends up being, America will be less safe for it. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11930 "2019-07-29T15:08:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, I wanted Mueller to say “Trump should be impeached and prosecuted”, but I had no realistic expectation that he would say this, nor did the Democrats and progressives I know. But Mueller’s testimony went about as well as I hoped it would – he confirmed, numerous times, with quotable TV sound bites (even if all it was was a Democratic Rep reading a damning portion of the report and Mueller saying “yes, that’s accurate”) that he found significant evidence of wrongdoing by Trump and his team, and that Trump could be prosecuted after he leaves office, and that the reason he didn’t make a determination on indictment for obstruction of justice was due to the OLC memo rather than a lack of evidence. Very much this. Mark Sumner had a succinct [passage](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/25/1874307/-Robert-Mueller-gave-the-country-everything-necessary-to-show-why-Trump-must-be-impeached)I thought responded to the Mueller “nothingburger” well (Be warned! Left-wing site! Oh, no!): "Because all that Mueller did was confirm that Donald Trump made multiple serious efforts to obstruct justice, interfered with witnesses, lied on his written responses to the special counsel, and engaged in support for illegal activity. Along the way, Mueller reminded the nation that Trump’s campaign chair, campaign co-chair, personal attorney, national security advisor, and a pair of foreign policy specialists were all indicted and convicted. And he reminded everyone that Russian interference in the 2016 election was extensive and extreme, and that Russia was not just planning to do the same thing in 2020, but is doing the same thing right now. So, gee, it’s too bad Mueller didn’t have anything big to say." ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11931 "2019-07-29T15:16:44Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Rep. John Ratcliffe, the particular Republi-moron you mention, has been tapped by Trump to replace Dan Coats as DNI, partially on the strength of POTUS’ delight regarding his excoriation of Mueller. Because of course. Partially? There’s another reason? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11932 "2019-07-29T15:18:40Z")
You had me right up to: > [@Shodan](#): > > I think [this exchange](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZIzYge-BmQ) between Chris Wallace and Stephen Colbert sums up the realities of the Mueller testimony. Nancy Pelosi and the Dems not suffering from \*\*TDS \*\* …then you blew it. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11933 "2019-07-29T15:37:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Partially? There’s another reason? Well, he’s also a robotically predictable Trump loyalist who has seemingly surrendered his agency wholly over to the regime. So, looks like a suite of qualifications to Der Furor, I’d guess. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11934 "2019-07-29T17:00:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think [this exchange](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZIzYge-BmQ) between Chris Wallace and Stephen Colbert sums up the realities of the Mueller testimony. Nancy Pelosi and the Dems not suffering from TDS recognize on some level that the Mueller investigation didn’t find what they want, they couldn’t get Mueller to say what they want, and they are back to square one. > > Regards, > Shodan They found what they wanted. It’s just that they just realize that for much of the country hasn’t read or head all the facts; is trying to process competing narratives and interpretations of the facts (one of which is patently false); or just doesn’t give a shit one way or the other. Mueller, for his part, said what they wanted him to say. He just didn’t say it the way he wanted them to, and he didn’t say it in the manner that would convince the average person to look more carefully at the report, lean away from the false narrative, or otherwise give a shit about it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11935 "2019-07-29T18:24:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > McConnell lays on his back, his belly baking in the hot sun, beating his legs trying to turn himself over, but he can’t. Not without your help. But you’re making popcorn. What brand of popcorn are you making? With salt and butter, and I help him to turn over. That is to say, I would offer a sane response rather than refusing to think about the question. Can you think of any reason that I shouldn’t give full credence and thought to the question and answer it honestly and reasonably? Can you think of any rational reason to do otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11936 "2019-07-29T18:52:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Mueller, for his part, said what they wanted him to say. That was the point of my posting the exchange between Colbert and Wallace. No, he didn’t. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11937 "2019-07-29T19:16:25Z")
I don’t recall the exact words used. Does someone have a clearer memory of what Mueller had to say about Trump’s response to an invite for a sit down? Or about the truth and completeness of his written responses? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11938 "2019-07-29T19:19:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That was the point of my posting the exchange between Colbert and Wallace. No, he didn’t. > > Regards, > Shodan My point was, Mueller said more than enough to have Trump impeached. They wanted him to raise his voice, pound the table, and gave his own state of the disunion address to congress. Predictably, it didn’t happen. I don’t know what progressives are waiting for or expecting but a majority of the country has made up its mind about the investigation and wants to talk about something else. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11939 "2019-07-29T23:10:37Z")
I strongly feel that even if Bob Mueller shouted and pounded the table and shouted, “What is WRONG with you stupid, elected fucks? He should’ve been impeached on day one! I gave you all the fucking evidence!”, it wouldn’t have been nearly enough to flip more than another 2 or 3 republicans voting for impeachment. Since his destruction of AC in the early '90s, we’ve been shouting “follow the money”. No one has, this investigation didn’t, and until we can prove he’s in major debt and NOT as wealthy as many think, he’ll be a hero to millions. Money is all that talks these days. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11940 "2019-07-30T04:34:56Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I strongly feel that even if Bob Mueller shouted and pounded the table and shouted, “What is WRONG with you stupid, elected fucks? He should’ve been impeached on day one! I gave you all the fucking evidence!”, it wouldn’t have been nearly enough to flip more than another 2 or 3 republicans voting for impeachment. > > Since his destruction of AC in the early '90s, we’ve been shouting “follow the money”. No one has, this investigation didn’t, and until we can prove he’s in major debt and NOT as wealthy as many think, he’ll be a hero to millions. Money is all that talks these days. That’s a different investigation (and still underway). And, in the case of Trump, I suspect that there’s just as much wisdom if you opted instead for “follow the girls”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11941 "2019-07-30T19:41:43Z")
This is an example of why I think the Mueller testimony was a success for the Democrats: > **[A new pro-impeachment TV ad boils Mueller's 6 hours of testimony down to 32...](https://theweek.com/speedreads/855757/new-proimpeachment-tv-ad-boils-muellers-6-hours-testimony-down-32-seconds)** It would be better if Mueller were stating these things rather than just agreeing to them, but this is about as good as could be expected. Not exactly a slam dunk, but these kinds of sound bites are still useful in chipping away at the perceptions of anyone who is persuadable who isn’t aware of any wrongdoing by Trump and co. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/11942 "2019-08-13T05:34:14Z")
Misleading headline of the day: [Mueller ties on display at jury selection for Greg Craig trial](https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/12/greg-craig-trial-jury-selection-1459071) I was hoping to see [this one](https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/09/25/USAT/6882826a-9c3c-4c37-a508-99c8c7924613-robert_mueller.JPG?crop=2845,1600,x1257,y821&width=3200&height=1680&fit=bounds). And [this one](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uccjSmARePErsVukW3UxIRGeqoQ=/0x0:3000x2000/1200x800/filters:focal(1746x542:2226x1022)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/63284619/124833732.jpg.0.jpg). And [this one](http://www.ivy-style.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/SP_285077_PEND_FBI.jpg). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=596) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=598)