# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1181 "2017-12-08T02:10:08Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Isn’t this a policy change? I thought that couldn’t be done through reconciliation unless it involved spending, revenue, or debt. I honestly don’t think they give a shit anymore about any kind of regular order. They simply _say_ they’re conducting regular order, and then do whatever the fuck they want. Reconciliation is supposed to be revenue neutral as well – and you can see how little _that_ mattered, as they squeaked a Senate bill through that loads up an additional 1.5 trillion dollars’ worth of debt. And that’s a “conservative” estimate. Haha. I’ve never seen corruption on a scale like we’re seeing today. There just doesn’t any longer seem to be any backstop to what Republicans will do in furtherance of their greedy authoritarian goals. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1182 "2017-12-08T02:21:58Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I sure hope you’re right Aspenglow. Watergate was a tea party compared to this. > > I was pretty young in the Watergate years. Did not know that 48 where found guilty. That’s very good to know. > > What will be the name of this if, hopefully, Muller can get this done? It should not be another \_\_\_\_Gate. This is much worse. TrumpGate is no good. Perhaps TrumpRape. The rape of democracy. L’Affaire Russe. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1183 "2017-12-08T03:31:48Z")
Thanks for that lucid and well thought out reply, **Aspenglow**. You gave me some hope. And also, what \*\*elucidator \*\*said: > [@elucidator](#): > > From your lips to the Ears… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1184 "2017-12-08T05:19:52Z")
I’m waiting to wake up to the headline: Trump declares Imperial Presidency Pelosi and Schumer arrested, Hillary Clinton’s whereabouts unknown Senate in disarray after new presidential emergency powers decree Fox News: Trump in Charge No need for concern, says Pence Traitorous Democrats on the Run ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1185 "2017-12-08T05:27:50Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What will be the name of this if, hopefully, Muller can get this done? It should not be another \_\_\_\_Gate. This is much worse. TrumpGate is no good. Perhaps TrumpRape. The rape of democracy. Your suggestion is very apt, IMHO. I can’t think of anything better!! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1186 "2017-12-08T05:33:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m waiting to wake up to the headline: > > Trump declares Imperial Presidency > Pelosi and Schumer arrested, Hillary Clinton’s whereabouts unknown > Senate in disarray after new presidential emergency powers decree > > Fox News: > Trump in Charge > No need for concern, says Pence > Traitorous Democrats on the Run We’re in for a bumpy 2018, that’s sure. I wish your headlines were farfetched, but I fear there are those within this cabal who actually believe such a thing is possible. We’re going to have to fight like hell. Call everyone, protest, donate, keep talking. And vote. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1187 "2017-12-08T06:09:27Z")
Assuming there are real elections to vote in. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1188 "2017-12-08T11:34:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m waiting to wake up to the headline: > > Trump declares Imperial Presidency > Pelosi and Schumer arrested, Hillary Clinton’s whereabouts unknown > Senate in disarray after new presidential emergency powers decree > > Fox News: > Trump in Charge > No need for concern, says Pence > Traitorous Democrats on the Run And that’ll be a side article. The banner headline will be “Man shoots girlfriend in argument over French fries,” with a mugshot of some random black guy in St. Louis. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1189 "2017-12-08T13:35:36Z")
Hmmmmmm… > [@](#): > > Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators. > > The September 4 email was sent during the final stretch of the 2016 presidential race – two months after the hacked emails of the Democratic National Committee were made public and one month before WikiLeaks began leaking the contents of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s hacked emails. > > The email came less than three weeks before WikiLeaks itself messaged Trump Jr. and began an exchange of direct messages on Twitter. Trump Jr. told investigators he had no recollection of the September email. > > Congressional investigators are trying to ascertain whether the individual who sent the September email is legitimate and whether it shows additional efforts by WikiLeaks to connect with Trump’s son and others on the Trump campaign. The email also indicated that the Trump campaign could access records from former Secretary of State Colin Powell, whose hacked emails were made public by a Russian front group 10 days later. > **[Email pointed Trump campaign to WikiLeaks documents | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politics/email-effort-give-trump-campaign-wikileaks-documents/index.html)** > > Donald Trump, his son and others received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1190 "2017-12-08T13:45:43Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m waiting to wake up to the headline: > > Trump declares Imperial Presidency > Pelosi and Schumer arrested, Hillary Clinton’s whereabouts unknown > Senate in disarray after new presidential emergency powers decree > > Fox News: > Trump in Charge > No need for concern, says Pence > Traitorous Democrats on the Run You are assuming that when you wake up that day, there will be any news outlets other than fox news. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1191 "2017-12-08T13:55:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are assuming that when you wake up that day, there will be any news outlets other than fox news. This sounds facetious, but it isn’t too far fetched. This Republican Party does not care about democracy, it exists for the elite to have a permanent stranglehold on power. We’re all just waiting for a Reichstag fire type of incident for martial law to be imposed, elections cancelled, and the First Amendment to be “suspended”. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1192 "2017-12-08T14:08:57Z")
> [@](#): > > We’re all just waiting for a Reichstag fire type of incident for martial law to be imposed, elections cancelled, and the First Amendment to be “suspended”. exactly, and there WILL be (another) war so rumpy can shoot off nukes. he is just dying to. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1193 "2017-12-08T14:16:15Z")
Now that the investigation marches steadily on, finding new dirt every week, the trashing of Mueller begins in earnest. The charges of bias from the sycophants, ridiculous at even a modest glance, are being made to justify the inevitable termination before the crap that even the rabid base won’t stand for becomes exposed. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1194 "2017-12-08T14:22:40Z")
Incidentally, the deadline to impose sanctions on Russia passed over a month ago. White House has done nothing. Any legitimate reason for this? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1195 "2017-12-08T14:36:44Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > And that’ll be a side article. The banner headline will be “Man shoots girlfriend in argument over French fries,” with a mugshot of some random black guy in St. Louis. Wait. Were they arguing _about_ French fries, or was there an order of French fries on the table between them when they were arguing? And people say journalistic standards are going UP… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1196 "2017-12-08T14:39:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Wait. Were they arguing _about_ French fries, or was there an order of French fries on the table between them when they were arguing? > > And people say journalistic standards are going UP… :dubious: You mean they’re not Freedom Fries any more? (I’m so behind the times…) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1197 "2017-12-08T14:47:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Incidentally, the deadline to impose sanctions on Russia passed over a month ago. White House has done nothing. Any legitimate reason for this? Vetoed by Politburo? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1198 "2017-12-08T15:20:12Z")
To be honest, I don’t see the GOP’s solidarity as a desire to form a power bloc, because it’s too tenuous. It’s easier for me to believe they’re doing their best to cover their own asses, because they know that when it’s time to vote, the partisan majority is their best safety net. If they openly criticize their own administration’s key figures, they risk losing voter support as well as support for their own bills. Look how McConnell switched course with Roy Moore when it looked like Moore had enough support to win his election, and McConnell is wary of being called RINO. They realize the margin of error is slim (2 votes + Pence) and believe that party unity is the best protection they have, for now. If they lose Senate majority in 2018, then the floodgates will open and the finger-pointing will begin. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1199 "2017-12-08T15:23:24Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You mean they’re not Freedom Fries any more? (I’m so behind the times…) And they will be again. With borscht to dip them in. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1200 "2017-12-08T15:36:03Z")
The fact that right wing media has shifted from “nothingburger” to openly attacking Mueller means they know which way this is headed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=61)