# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 605
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12083 "2019-11-07T13:29:06Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > When you **flaunt** the rules, like we have seen from dt and many players in this, in a public job, you have to go, right then and there. The rules should become strictly enforced for such a person, until they’re gone. > [@drad\_dog](#): > > Really I could just say if you **flaunt** the oath you need to go. Flout. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12084 "2019-11-07T18:24:47Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Flout. Yes. I thought about this last night. But then again I could make it “flaunt their contempt for…” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12085 "2019-11-07T18:37:49Z")
I propose to coin a new word, “flount” which is to express an extremely exhibitionistic and publicly aggressive contempt for something. Sorry about my mispelling of that in the prior posts. Now if I walk out of the room backwards I think I can make this work. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12086 "2019-11-07T21:24:33Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I propose to coin a new word, “flount” which is to express an extremely exhibitionistic and publicly aggressive contempt for something. Sorry about my mispelling of that in the prior posts. Now if I walk out of the room backwards I think I can make this work. How about _flart_, which is expressing public contempt for something while producing a loud noise and a bad smell? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12087 "2019-11-07T21:44:54Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > the m.r. wasn’t a trial though. > > And he failed in a few matters: not interviewing dt; not geting transcripts of dt phone calls with world leaders that have been “hidden”; and making it so Barr could “land the plane” in an airport rm never even thought of. > > I find it hard to believe people just give a pass to the lack of an interview with dt when democracy seems to be on the block. > > We’re paying his salary and he doesn’t have the right to sneer at the country while getting the “benefit of the doubt” that we reserve for those who have not trolled and rat fucked our country. Personally I think it’s retarded to think that an interview 1) was necessary, 2) would have accomplished anything, or 3) would have been agreed to. > [@drad\_dog](#): > > I didn’t mention the law. You did. > > I am saying that dt has breached his social contract with the nation by breaking campaign and presidential promises, because his fans don’t care about them. But every voter has a right to take an interest in dt and his promises. We all have to live here. If he breaks them, what does the law have to do with it? > > He asked for a job and we gave it to him. He is not entitled to just shit all over the place just because his base likes it. There is a majority who are paying his salary. Those people were betrayed by the lack of an interiew with dt. > > But the biggest deal about it is that he gets treated like he is not rat fucking us as a country, by the people who say “Well what are you gonna do right?” Well, what are you gonna do? Mr. “I’m not talking about breaking the law”, what _exactly_ are you proposing? Besides whining and making dumbass claims about how if Mueller had worn a different tie Trump would have been executed by now and thus the fact he DIDN’T wear a different tie means that he’s secretly a Trump supporter who just compiled that all that evidence into a report by accident. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12088 "2019-11-07T21:57:26Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > … to think that an interview 1) was necessary, 2) would have accomplished anything, or 3) would have been agreed to. > … Sure it would have. 2) specifically. There is no way that Trump would have handled quesioning of that sort without lying. No chance in hell, not a chance at all. Mueller got convictions in actual courts because people (Trump’s people) lied to him. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12089 "2019-11-07T22:22:09Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Sure it would have. 2) specifically. There is no way that Trump would have handled quesioning of that sort without lying. No chance in hell, not a chance at all. Mueller got convictions in actual courts because people (Trump’s people) lied to him. 2 iff 3, eh? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12090 "2019-11-07T22:32:09Z")
Mueller could have pushed for that. He could have tried to push, anyway. Or even glanced at the thought of trying to push. Instead, he made it known that written answers would suffice. Shit, Mueller even stated in his congressional appearance that the written replies were incomplete, and IIRC he even said untruthful. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12091 "2019-11-07T22:32:26Z")
I think the part that’s not understood by those saying Mueller should have subpoenaed Trump is _how long it would have taken to get a dispositive ruling on that subpoena_. Since it is an unsettled area of the law, SCOTUS would have taken it up, and it would have taken forever to get to SCOTUS. Between general stonewalling (asking for continuances, etc.), briefing schedules, rulings and appeals, the delay could easily have lasted well into 2021 if not longer. And in the end, all Trump would have done is appear and responded, “I assert my rights under the Fifth Amendment,” in response to every question. Does anyone really feel it would have been useful to await that outcome until long past the 2020 election? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12092 "2019-11-07T22:43:58Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Mueller could have pushed for that. He could have tried to push, anyway. Or even glanced at the thought of trying to push. Instead, he made it known that written answers would suffice. Shit, Mueller even stated in his congressional appearance that the written replies were incomplete, and IIRC he even said untruthful. So what you’re saying is, he got a written record of Trump hedging and lying, on the record. Mission complete! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12093 "2019-11-07T23:25:05Z")
Sure, have a look around. It’s complete. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12094 "2019-11-07T23:50:25Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Sure, have a look around. It’s complete. It’s as complete as it would have been if he’d gotten Trump in front of him in person. What you nimrods are forgetting is _he couldn’t indict Trump_. So even if you willfully ignore the fact that Trump wouldn’t have deigned to appear before we all died of old age, it remains an indisputable fact that all Mueller would have done with such an interview would be to _write it into his fucking report_. Where it would boil down to a footnote\* that would be buried under all the piles of evidence of wrongdoing much worse than “gibbered incoherently and lied some in an interview”. There is no sane interpretation of events where such an interview would make a difference where the incredibly damning contents of the report did not. You insane fuckers are just pretending otherwise to grasp at straws and find something, _anything_ you can point at to try and frame the current events as the result of, literally, a fucking conspiracy. - Note: Trump’s response to the questions posed was mostly incoherent, and is demonstrated to be lies. See all the other evidence in this report. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12095 "2019-11-08T00:25:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > How about _flart_, which is expressing public contempt for something while producing a loud noise and a bad smell? Flart sounds like something that goes away eventually. We can only hope… ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12096 "2019-11-08T00:46:39Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Personally I think it’s retarded to think that an interview 1) was necessary, 2) would have accomplished anything, or 3) would have been agreed to. > > Well, what are you gonna do? Mr. “I’m not talking about breaking the law”, what _exactly_ are you proposing? Besides whining and making dumbass claims about how if Mueller had worn a different tie Trump would have been executed by now and thus the fact he DIDN’T wear a different tie means that he’s secretly a Trump supporter who just compiled that all that evidence into a report by accident. 1. It was necessary to have an interview, if it is a full investigation of a “crime of intent.” It was. 2. You have no idea of what it might accomplish at all. Maybe donald will run rings around those high tone lawyers. Maybe not? But why are you so triggered by it? Most would say dt is not up to it and so such an interview would be supportive of democracy. We don’t know yet. 3. I have no thoughts on whether he would agree. It’s irrelevant, unless we are going to go all “dear leader” about dt. So he wastes time. When someone fails to testify under order that can be taken as a sign of guilt. We should have been keeping track of every one of these instances from the beginning. It’s a question of the “oath” not the law. He was in violation of it on day 1 or so. So after that I don’t give him a pass on anything. He is dead man walking in the government to me. If Mueller had held out for an interview we have no idea the kinds of things that would ensue. But it would not be a lost opportunity to get dt. As it happened, even without an interview, they spun away from it and it seemingly worked. There would be no opportunity cost for telling dt that he needs to come in and talk, or else resign. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12097 "2019-11-08T00:49:31Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > … > There is no sane interpretation of events where such an interview would make a difference where the incredibly damning contents of the report did not. You insane fuckers are just pretending otherwise to grasp at straws and find something, _anything_ you can point at to try and frame the current events as the result of, literally, a fucking conspiracy. > … Conspiracy. That’s cool. Nobody is or has claimed there was a conspiracy. Did Mueller conspire with Trump? And you call someone else insane? No, there was just one man who tried to do his best, but he could not. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12098 "2019-11-08T00:54:52Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I propose to coin a new word, “flount” which is to express an extremely exhibitionistic and publicly aggressive contempt for something. Sorry about my mispelling of that in the prior posts. Now if I walk out of the room backwards I think I can make this work. I thought we already had a word for that: _trump_. And if it’s really egregious, then it’s _presidentin’ trump_. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12099 "2019-11-08T00:56:13Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > It’s as complete as it would have been if he’d gotten Trump in front of him in person. > > What you nimrods are forgetting is _he couldn’t indict Trump_. So even if you willfully ignore the fact that Trump wouldn’t have deigned to appear before we all died of old age, it remains an indisputable fact that all Mueller would have done with such an interview would be to _write it into his fucking report_. Where it would boil down to a footnote\* that would be buried under all the piles of evidence of wrongdoing much worse than “gibbered incoherently and lied some in an interview”. > > There is no sane interpretation of events where such an interview would make a difference where the incredibly damning contents of the report did not. You insane fuckers are just pretending otherwise to grasp at straws and find something, _anything_ you can point at to try and frame the current events as the result of, literally, a fucking conspiracy. > > - Note: Trump’s response to the questions posed was mostly incoherent, and is demonstrated to be lies. See all the other evidence in this report. An “investigation” is when you work and find out where things go in the scheme, in a way that might surprise you. Whether you can indict or not, whether they are cooperative or not. What you are talking about is where you already know what is going to happen and nothing can be done, so you just punch the clock and mark time until you can retire. Why did we have to hear all the claptrap about how he was a marine and he was in viet nam if he couldn’t even manage a subject who was reticent? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12100 "2019-11-08T00:57:55Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Conspiracy. That’s cool. Nobody is or has claimed there was a conspiracy. Did Mueller conspire with Trump? And you call someone else insane? No, there was just one man who tried to do his best, but he could not. Open up the tired eyes ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12101 "2019-11-08T01:20:16Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Mueller could have pushed for that. He could have tried to push, anyway. Or even glanced at the thought of trying to push. Instead, he made it known that written answers would suffice. Shit, Mueller even stated in his congressional appearance that the written replies were incomplete, and IIRC he even said untruthful. Imagine if Mueller came into the job by implying that any real investigation, by a real American and a real marine, needs an interview to be done, and dt was in the barrel? Could that have been a way to save a year or two of dt in the white house? If it had jump started the impeachment it might have. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12102 "2019-11-08T01:20:22Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Open up the tired eyes (He gets it. 😃 Hey Mikey, he gets it!) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=604) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=606)