# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 612
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12223 "2020-02-14T22:03:37Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > What’s any of that got to do with ‘Manifest Destiny’? > What do you think ‘Manifest Destiny’ means, asahi? Enthrall us with your acumen. > > CMC fnord! What the fuck are you doing wasting time tearing down someone who is on your side, **cmc**? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12224 "2020-02-14T22:11:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > There would inevitable be threats of secession from within California’s borders as well. I wouldn’t laugh at the possibilities, either. Secession, just like authoritarianism, is going to become more and more of a thing, not just here but globally. Shoot, California secession would make everybody happy: Californians and MAGAts alike. The only losers would be rational people in the other 49 states. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12225 "2020-02-14T22:19:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What the fuck are you doing wasting time tearing down someone who is on your side, **cmc**? Because it wasn’t over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12226 "2020-02-15T00:09:37Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > What’s any of that got to do with ‘Manifest Destiny’? > What do you think ‘Manifest Destiny’ means, asahi? Enthrall us with your acumen. > > CMC fnord! Nothing, nothing at all. I confess: I used the term Manifest Destiny because I have no idea what it means. I think I heard someone talk about it on the radio once. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12227 "2020-02-15T00:11:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > What the fuck are you doing wasting time tearing down someone who is on your side, **cmc**? He wants to impress you with his “acumen.” ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12228 "2020-02-15T00:42:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > He wants to impress you with his “acumen.” Isn’t acumen some kind of spice used in cooking? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12229 "2020-02-15T01:39:08Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Isn’t acumen some kind of spice used in cooking? I don’t know, why don’t you ask that nut, Meg? p.s. Yes, I’m horrible at puns - I’ll stop. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12230 "2020-02-15T01:55:44Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t know, why don’t you ask that nut, Meg? > > p.s. Yes, I’m horrible at puns - I’ll stop. Sage decision. Good thyming. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12231 "2020-02-15T01:57:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Sage decision. Good thyming. I cilantro what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12232 "2020-02-15T02:42:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Nothing, nothing at all. I confess: I used the term Manifest Destiny because I have no idea what it means. I think I heard someone talk about it on the radio once. > > :rolleyes: For anyone curious, Manifest Destiny was the belief in the innate superiority of white American settlers, and that their destiny was to occupy and control all of America from coast to coast, at a time when much of the west was still ‘Indian territory’. it was big in the early to mid 1850’s, and used to justify all sorts of shitty actions against the ‘savages’ that occupied the land. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12233 "2020-02-15T02:51:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Nothing, nothing at all. I confess: I used the term Manifest Destiny because I have no idea what it means. I think I heard someone talk about it on the radio once. > > :rolleyes: You seriously had no idea what the term _manifest destiny_, one of the major excuses given for the conquest of North America from coast-to-coast over the last two centuries, means? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12234 "2020-02-15T03:42:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You seriously had no idea what the term _manifest destiny_, one of the major excuses given for the conquest of North America from coast-to-coast over the last two centuries, means? I had absolutely no idea at all. I just write random shit. Like, I could have just as easily written: As I’ve said repeatedly, rage is good. This country was founded on it, and if it doesn’t find its inner Thomas Payne soon, it’s going to kiss 2 centuries and change of slavery, Jim Crow and self-government goodbye. But, like, who was Jim Crow? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12235 "2020-02-15T08:31:42Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > For anyone curious, Manifest Destiny was the belief in the innate superiority of white American settlers, and that their destiny was to occupy and control all of America from coast to coast, at a time when much of the west was still ‘Indian territory’. it was big in the early to mid 1850’s, and used to justify all sorts of shitty actions against the ‘savages’ that occupied the land. It also sounded better in the original German, _Lebensraum_. > [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Isn’t acumen some kind of spice used in cooking? It the go to spice for fava beans, doesn’t clash with the Chianti. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12236 "2020-02-15T13:45:08Z")
asahi - I’ve always pretty much agreed with you. A little shrill at times. But really, shrill ain’t enough at this point. And what we a looking at is ‘Dumb shit destiny’. Bunch of morons are leading a bunch of morons. The outcome is… predictable. That’s about the nicest way I can put it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12237 "2020-02-15T19:16:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > It also sounded better in the original German, _Lebensraum_. > > CMC fnord! That joke would work better if the term “manifest destiny” hadn’t been coined some fifty-five years earlier than “Lebensraum.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12238 "2020-02-15T20:01:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > That joke would work better if the term “manifest destiny” hadn’t been coined some fifty-five years earlier than “Lebensraum.” True, but it begs the question\* ‘Do they even know _that_ much history?’ \*Not to be confused with the actual logical fallacy. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![str8cashhomie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@str8cashhomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/str8cashhomie)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12239 "2020-02-29T03:41:08Z")
A court ruled it cannot compel Don McGahn to testify over potential obstruction of justice related to Mueller case. 2-1 decision on ideological lines. > **[Devastating Court Ruling Allows White House To Block Testimony From Former...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mcgahn-lawsuit-house-democrats_n_5e598973c5b6beedb4eb11f3)** > > The ruling “all but assures future Presidential stonewalling of Congress,” a dissenting judge wrote. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12240 "2021-07-15T10:22:00Z")
Kremlin papers confirm that Putin actively supported Trump in 2016 by ordering the three Russian spy agencies to support him at all costs in January, 2016: > **[Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house)** > > Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/12241 "2021-07-15T10:22:00Z")
This topic was automatically closed after reaching the maximum limit of 10000 replies. Continue discussion at [A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-2/946549). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=611)