# A Thread for the Mueller Investigation Results and Outcomes (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093 "2017-10-28T20:14:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1961 "2018-01-25T03:20:28Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And it isn’t a perjury trap unless the “target” is a liar… and Trump always has been a liar. So, it IS a perjury trap, right? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1962 "2018-01-25T03:21:37Z")
His lawyer issued a correction: “He’s ready to meet with them, but he’ll be guided by the advice of his personal counsel.” In other words, “Sweet Jesus, what are you doing?” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1963 "2018-01-25T03:22:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Just so we’re clear, Trump wasn’t obstructing justice, he was “[fighting back](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/370620-trump-fighting-back-against-russia-probe-is-not-obstruction)” against the investigation. Big difference. > > Jesus, this interview is just a perjury trap. I’m looking forward to Trump chewing off his own leg. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1964 "2018-01-25T03:23:35Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > His lawyer issued a correction: “He’s ready to meet with them, but he’ll be guided by the advice of his personal counsel.” > > In other words, “Sweet Jesus, what are you doing?” > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He won’t follow any guidance. He’ll do whatever pops into his reptilian brain, and then unleash hell on them later for his failings and fuck ups - like always. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1965 "2018-01-25T04:48:49Z")
They found the “secret society” text message that Republicans have been saying proves that the FBI had a secret cabal that was meeting off site to plot taking down Trump. Here it is, a single standalone text from Lisa Page to Peter Strzok: _Are you even going to give out your calendars? Seems kind of depressing. Maybe it should just be the first meeting of the secret society_ My god these fucking republican dipshits. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1966 "2018-01-25T04:56:16Z")
Typical madcap, whimsical FBI humor. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1967 "2018-01-25T13:36:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He won’t follow any guidance. He’ll do whatever pops into his reptilian brain, and then unleash hell on them later for his failings and fuck ups - like always. Yup. Like always. And then fire all their asses. > [@Fubaya](#): > > They found the “secret society” text message that Republicans have been saying proves that the FBI had a secret cabal that was meeting off site to plot taking down Trump. > > Here it is, a single standalone text from Lisa Page to Peter Strzok: > > _Are you even going to give out your calendars? Seems kind of depressing. Maybe it should just be the first meeting of the secret society_ > > My god these fucking republican dipshits. > [@elucidator](#): > > Typical madcap, whimsical FBI humor. :smack: Oh God. Yes, the FBI staff is going to form a secret society and then send texts about it? VERY good thinking. NEW FBI GUIDELINES: No joking in text messages. Or anywhere else. People with no sense of humor may read them at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1968 "2018-01-25T13:39:47Z")
> **[Trump's "everyone's dirty" strategy](https://www.axios.com/2018/01/25/trumps-everyone-dirty-strategy-fbi-mueller)** > > "This is the Government against the People’s President. It is an easy narrative." The trump strategy to fight anything Mueller can come up with. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1969 "2018-01-25T13:58:10Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > If you’re interpreting BobLibDem’s words in a hyper-technical way - that Republicans who want to prosecute her are people with fantasies that they themselves know are nothing more than fantasies about a prosecution that they themselves know is unjustified - then you would have a point. > > But I’m thinking BobLibDem is probably capable of appreciating that Republicans who want to prosecute Clinton believe (whether justifiably so or not) that she is indeed guilty of crimes. I certainly don’t believe that. I don’t think any smart person does. Hillary Clinton is the Republicans’ Goldstein. She represents a distraction, a way to rally their base with anger. No Republican politician really believes she’s guilty of the silly crimes they attribute to her. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1970 "2018-01-25T14:01:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I certainly don’t believe that. I don’t think any smart person does. > > Hillary Clinton is the Republicans’ Goldstein. She represents a distraction, a way to rally their base with anger. No Republican politician really believes she’s guilty of the silly crimes they attribute to her. Gohmert probably does. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1971 "2018-01-25T14:06:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > … > Hillary Clinton is the Republicans’ Goldstein. She represents a distraction, a way to rally their base with anger. No Republican politician really believes she’s guilty of the silly crimes they attribute to her. The Prosecution of Hillary is the Republicans’ [MacGuffin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1972 "2018-01-25T14:24:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The Prosecution of Hillary is the Republicans’ [MacGuffin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin). Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) was just interviewed on NPR. The opening question was about FBI and text messages, and he immediately launched into a re-litigation of Hillary’s email server. The interviewer kept trying to yank him back on topic but he kept plowing forward. It was a complete train wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1973 "2018-01-25T14:31:20Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) was just interviewed on NPR. The opening question was about FBI and text messages, and he immediately launched into a re-litigation of Hillary’s email server. The interviewer kept trying to yank him back on topic but he kept plowing forward. > > It was a complete train wreck. I was listening to the radio on the way to work this morning. As soon as Johnson said the name “Hillary Clinton”, about two seconds into his first answer, I changed to a music station. I really didn’t need to hear any more than that. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1974 "2018-01-25T14:49:23Z")
> [@](#): > > His lawyer issued a correction: “He’s ready to meet with them, but he’ll be guided by the advice of his personal counsel.” he _said_ he will do it. so, obviously, he won’t. not if he can help it. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1975 "2018-01-25T15:00:37Z")
My expectation is that Trump will eventually be interviewed by Mueller in some form. But the lawyers are still negotiating over terms, so they don’t need him announcing upfront that he’ll do it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1976 "2018-01-25T15:05:47Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No Republican politician really believes she’s guilty of the silly crimes they attribute to her. That’s what I think. Republicans are like rats that learn that pressing a lever gives them a bit of food. They don’t know how it works nor do they care, they just know that pressing the lever gives them food. Republicans have learned that demonizing Hillary gives them street cred with the right wing base. They know damn well it’s not true, but they’re afraid of the base and keep up the charade. > [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > My expectation is that Trump will eventually be interviewed by Mueller in some form. But the lawyers are still negotiating over terms, so they don’t need him announcing upfront that he’ll do it. I say screw negotiation. I’d say here is your subpoena, see you at the grand jury. Let the son of a bitch testify for about 3 solid days, no lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1977 "2018-01-25T15:17:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I say screw negotiation. I’d say here is your subpoena, see you at the grand jury. Let the son of a bitch testify for about 3 solid days, no lawyer. That’s nice for you, but precedent has already been set with other presidents. See e.g. [http://www.wktv.com/content/national/468350933.html](http://www.wktv.com/content/national/468350933.html). Bottom line is that Trump has some chips, and I imagine his lawyers were not keen on giving those up, and for this reason walked back his statement. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1978 "2018-01-25T15:41:50Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Gohmert probably does. Now you’re just casting aspersions on his asparagus. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1979 "2018-01-25T15:54:00Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > Gohmert probably does. adding the ‘h’ and ‘t’ to his name doesn’t really obscure what he is… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093/1980 "2018-01-25T15:57:24Z")
I read somewhere that thump said he would testify “under oath.” What is a thump oath worth on the open market? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-thread-for-the-mueller-investigation-results-and-outcomes-part-1/800093.md?page=100)