# A tipping point. Historians will write on this in 20 years **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [January 21, 2025, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210 "2025-01-21T13:06:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![survinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@survinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/survinga)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/141 "2025-01-26T21:52:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > One of the first power grabs Trump made in 1.0 was to expand the reach of “news” sites (Sinclair, e.g.) that will flog his messages. This continues in 2.0 with allowing Tik Tok to go on and elevating the platforms of Mega and Xitter. The messaging is the key. It works. ^^^^THIS! And more broadly - There has been a right-wing bullshit propaganda message that has been loudly screaming in the West for decades. It has swamped anything the left could say or do to combat it. It’s basically an unstoppable (for now) machine. For the Left to begin to reverse the damage, we need an equal and opposing propaganda force. The main difference is that we won’t be spouting bullhsit, but will instead be spouting the truth. This is what is needed if we ever want to reverse the momentum. It won’t be easy. But it must be done. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/142 "2025-01-26T22:00:47Z")
> [@survinga](#): > > For the Left to begin to reverse the damage, we need an equal and opposing propaganda force. We also need to acknowledge that it is happening to a much greater degree than any before here. I watched for a decade while Putin propagandized the shit out of the citizens of this country through his troll farms on Facebook, WikiLeaks and elsewhere, together with Fox, OAN and NewsMax. It’s what elevated Trump and it’s what got him elected in 2016. Yet even today, people pooh-pooh the extent to which this massive, coordinated propaganda attack influenced the 2016 election. Even on this Board. We have _got_ to wake up to how we are being manipulated through these outlets, which have now only grown because they work so well and have gone basically unchallenged. Now Trump 2.0 is actively rewriting history as fast as they can. This is also part of the effort. Because. It. Works. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/143 "2025-01-27T00:36:27Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I’m not saying bigotry isn’t a factor, but it isn’t THE factor for a lot of them. How do you explain the major inroads Trump made with black and Hispanic voters if it’s all about getting the brown people? Because they thought it was about getting the _other_ brown people; many of them said as much. The leopards won’t eat _their_ face, just the faces of the _bad_ brown people. And that’s not the only bigotry involved, it’s also about getting women, gays, the transgender and so on. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/144 "2025-01-27T13:11:00Z")
My prediction for healthcare is that it will pretty much all be dumped on employers to get the insurance and then also manipulate the Insurance Co to take care of their employees. It will cover you for maybe a half a year of care. After that they fire you. If it is your spouse that is sick, they will cover that as long as you are employable. Outside of that, Medicaid will be gone and Medicare is probably reduced to drug insurance and emergency room. Beyond that Medicare will do very little. Hip replacement? No chance. ---
**Author:** ![MiddleAmerica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ad7895/32.png) [@MiddleAmerica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MiddleAmerica)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/145 "2025-01-28T19:50:15Z")
I recently joined this board, unaware that if was so leftist. I therefore am no longer interested. I am astounded how anyone could believe the nonsense on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/146 "2025-01-28T20:18:40Z")
Seeing MAGA and Trump for what and who they are does not make one “leftist”, it makes one sane and rational with clear eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/147 "2025-01-28T20:39:56Z")
> [@MiddleAmerica](#): > > I am astounded how anyone could believe the nonsense The irony, it burrrnnnnssss… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/148 "2025-01-28T20:49:12Z")
Knowledge is liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/149 "2025-01-28T23:20:01Z")
> [@MiddleAmerica](#): > > I recently joined this board, unaware that if was so leftist. This is a fairly moderate board; if you think this board is “insanely” leftist a _real_ leftist board would stun you unconscious. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/150 "2025-01-29T19:23:23Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s a big, underutilized, underpopulated territory that I’m sure the US could use more effectively than it is being used currently. And it could be used in an environmentally responsible way (though barely anything is right now). Jesus Christ. You are scary. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/151 "2025-01-29T19:36:48Z")
I’m just saying I see the point of wanting it. I don’t endorse Trump’s rhetoric or intentions in any way. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/152 "2025-01-29T19:52:47Z")
I see. I just found that very alarming from an established poster. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/153 "2025-01-29T20:08:31Z")
I think we should distinguish between Trump’s rational and irrational ambitions and actions, which is different from realistic and unrealistic. The ambition to acquire Greenland is rational, but it’s not realistic, especially how Trump is going about it. So much of what Trump does is crazy that it’s easy to start swinging away without bothering to make such a distinction. I should have prefaced my comment with something like the above… ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/154 "2025-01-29T21:37:05Z")
> [@MiddleAmerica](#): > > I recently joined this board, unaware that if was so leftist. I therefore am no longer interested. I am astounded how anyone could believe the nonsense on this thread. Buh-bye! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/155 "2025-01-30T20:17:33Z")
Yup, I bet s/he was “totally surprised” by the leftist slant of this board. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210/156 "2025-01-30T21:47:08Z")
Moderating: > [@Dinsdale](#): > > Buh-bye! > [@Aeschines](#): > > Yup, I bet s/he was “totally surprised” by the leftist slant of this board. Let’s drop it in this thread, please. You’re not in the Pit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-tipping-point-historians-will-write-on-this-in-20-years/1013210.md?page=7)