# A variation of Knighted's thread - Which Amendment do you leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 3, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215 "2003-11-03T21:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/21 "2003-11-06T21:29:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrainGlutton \* > \*\*No, actually, they can’t, not even if they’re armed to the teeth. Just ask the Iraqis. \*\* Yes. Let’s ask the Iraqis. I for one agree that it was Bush’s exemplary oratory that finally convinced Saddam to move out of his palace.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/22 "2003-11-06T21:56:05Z")
Posted by **pervert:** > [@](#): > > Yes. Let’s ask the Iraqis. I for one agree that it was Bush’s exemplary oratory that finally convinced Saddam to move out of his palace. Well, it wasn’t armed resistance from his own people! ---
**Author:** ![DreadCthulhu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DreadCthulhu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DreadCthulhu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/23 "2003-11-06T22:00:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness \* > \*\*The day Cthulhu has to rely on the second amendment to protect Its rights is the day I stop dreading the alignment of the stars. > > Daniel \*\* Yeah, but My cultist are alot more effective at securing there right to practise various unholy rituals, if they have guns. And deep ones would be alot more effective on land if they could use guns, but alas, everyone of them is terrible shot. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/24 "2003-11-07T13:13:15Z")
Comes of having fish eyes, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/25 "2003-11-07T14:16:09Z")
How many times do I have to tell you, **Cthulhu**? Shoggoths if by land, Deep Ones if by sea! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/26 "2003-11-07T14:45:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrainGlutton \* > ??? What makes you think state governments can better be trusted to respect civil liberties than the federal government? Why do you assume that the only issue at hand is civil liberties? Not every member of the SDMB is a card carrying member of the ACLU. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, the Tenth Amendment never mattered before. In all our history, it has never been dispositive in a single important constitutional case. Constitutional scholars mostly consider it a dead letter, just like the Ninth Amendment. Why would that change? True, the 10th Amendment has been ignored. I don’t know why it would change if it were the only one left. However, this is an academic argument. If actually enforced, I believe the 10th would be more important than the others. Keeping the federal government small is more important, IMHO than the rights that the other ammendments guarantee. Mostly because the other rights aren’t in as much risk. There isn’t a lobby fighting against the first ammendment. If it were up to the states, they would all ensure similar measures. Most state constitutions probably already provide such freedoms. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/27 "2003-11-07T23:39:15Z")
Posted by **Debaser:** > [@](#): > > Why do you assume that the only issue at hand is civil liberties? Isn’t that what this thread is about? What is the Bill of Rights for, if not to guarantee civil liberties? ---
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/28 "2003-11-08T01:30:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrainGlutton \* > \*\*Well, it wasn’t armed resistance from his own people! \*\* No… But it certainly wasn’t any non violent protests either. It’s ok. I’m just baiting you a bit. I’ll leave you alone now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![UndeadHero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UndeadHero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UndeadHero)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/29 "2003-11-09T13:52:20Z")
I think the 6th amendment…What?..Oh no reason I just like the 6th amendment. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/30 "2003-11-09T17:15:50Z")
The First. Although that would probably negate any chance of ever getting the Second back. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/31 "2003-11-10T21:49:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BrainGlutton \* > \*\*Posted by **Debaser:** > > Isn’t that what this thread is about? What is the Bill of Rights for, if not to guarantee civil liberties? \*\* I guess we would have to define what “civil rights” means. I wouldn’t consider the right to bear arms civil rights (2nd). Also, when I think of civil rights I don’t think of the idea of limiting the federal governments power (10th). However, these are two of the more important things in the bill of rights, IMO. Maybe they are civil rights, and I am just associating the term with the parts of the bill of rights that the ACLU decides to agree with. Just because the ACLU doesn’t like something doesn’t make it stop being a _civil right_, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/32 "2003-11-10T23:52:34Z")
Which part of the Bill Of Rights does the ACLU disagree with, **Debaser**? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/33 "2003-11-11T14:58:28Z")
The second ammendment. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/34 "2003-11-11T23:35:35Z")
Never heard a peep out of the ACLU about the 10th, either. It’s unfortunate that they’re pushing a specific agenda regarding civil rights rather trying to protect the Bill of Rights universally - if they did, I’d certainly support them. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/35 "2003-11-11T23:56:44Z")
Oh. I thought you were saying they were actively _against_ some parts. Everything considered, I support them. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/36 "2003-11-12T00:49:00Z")
> [@](#): > > quote:Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness > The day Cthulhu has to rely on the second amendment to protect Its rights is the day I stop dreading the alignment of the stars. > > Daniel > > Yeah, but My cultist are alot more effective at securing there right to practise various unholy rituals, if they have guns. And deep ones would be alot more effective on land if they could use guns, but alas, everyone of them is terrible shot. You silly squid, why use firearms when you can use lightning bolts, fireballs, earthquakes, power words, unholy words, prismatic sprays, and death spells? ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/37 "2003-11-12T01:02:03Z")
To say nothing of the magic buttons of the plant given by the heathen dogs. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2003, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215/38 "2003-11-12T02:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mangeorge \* > \*\*Oh. I thought you were saying they were actively _against_ some parts. > Everything considered, I support them. \*\* Well, in a way, they are. If they’re respected as the foremost civil rights defense group, and they actively hold a position that there isn’t a right to keep and bear arms, then they’re against it, even if they’re not campaigning against it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-variation-of-knighteds-thread-which-amendment-do-you-leave/211215.md?page=1)