# A wee bit hypocritical there, Ed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946 "2008-09-04T06:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![nd\_n8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/439d5e/32.png) [@nd\_n8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nd_n8)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/221 "2008-09-05T03:38:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And the threads that got locked weren’t actually debating the issues of having a Barn House forum, they were more like threadshitting. ::Rereads previous post about the Bob Villa shitting picture book:: Sorry man. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/222 "2008-09-05T03:47:35Z")
> [@nd\_n8](#): > > Ah my fellow ignorant dumbasses. Your lack of reading comprehension (or even reading ability at all) belies your wrath over the new forum. > > (that means you are dumb, either can’t or won’t read and this is why you are pissed off) > > Allow me to repost Ed’s views on the forum: > If you pull your collective heads out of your asses long enough to check out the website: > [http://edzotti.blogspot.com/](http://edzotti.blogspot.com/) > you will clearly see that the forum is not an ad for the book, the book is an ad for the forum and for the message board itself. > > Readers of this book will come to the “Vanity” forum to comment on the book and get shown the ads - boom, profit. > > If they find us entertaining they may stick around, post a little, lurk a little, be shown more ads - boom, more profit. > > It is ok children, I for one forgive your ignorance. After all, that is the mission of this board anyway, but let us not forget the purpose of this or any business venture - to make the PTB enough cash to cover costs and turn a dime or two to make it worth their time. > > Pay to post did not do that. > > Random strangers posting on an ad sponsored message board will. > > Hell, it’s possible that if a doper wrote a book and wanted the SDMB to host a discussion forum it could turn into a mutually beneficial relationship. Or not, what the hell do I know. > > So suck it up buttercup, the new forum probably won’t be around forever (mentioned in Ed’s quote) but for now burning up bandwidth bitching about it is going to get you jack squat, especially when the bitching is coupled with ignorance. This whole post reads like: _ **HA!** bow to me, **BOW** you lowly whelps, for it is **I, PROFESSOR nd\_n8** who has discovered that 'tis not the **SUN** that dances 'round the **EARTH!** Tis the Earth that revolves 'round yon **SUN** , but a lowly globe among BILLIONS and BILLIONS! **MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!** _ . . . as if we didn’t fuckin’ know, dingleberry :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![nd\_n8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/439d5e/32.png) [@nd\_n8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nd_n8)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/223 "2008-09-05T03:50:53Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > This whole post reads like: > > _ **HA!** bow to me, **BOW** you lowly whelps, for it is **I, PROFESSOR nd\_n8** who has discovered that 'tis not the **SUN** that dances 'round the **EARTH!** Tis the Earth that revolves 'round yon **SUN** , but a lowly globe among BILLIONS and BILLIONS! **MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!** _ > . . . as if we didn’t fuckin’ know, dingleberry :rolleyes: Then why the whining? What’s the hubbub, Bub? (although I liked the MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! part.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/224 "2008-09-05T03:51:48Z")
If this is “Ed Zotti’s forum” and/or he has permission from the Chicago Reader/Creative Loafing, then the addition of a new forum is fine by me. It’s not as if I have to vist it, and it might draw some good posters. However, if it hasn’t been proposed already, I suggest making it a sub-forum to Cafe Society. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/225 "2008-09-05T03:54:39Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > If it wasn’t for Ed Zotti this site wouldn’t even exist at all. > > Show a little respect. If it wasn’t for all the members that accepted to pay in order to post here this site would have sunk long ago. Thus show _us_ a “little respect” and go peddle your merchandise in classier fashion. If you’re capable that is. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/226 "2008-09-05T03:55:45Z")
> [@nd\_n8](#): > > Then why the whining? What’s the hubbub, Bub? > > (although I liked the MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! part.) Because a new forum to discuss this guy’s self-indulgent book gives me douche chills. How is that related to _why_ he created the forum? The smart thing to do would have been to make a “Workbench” forum like Weirddave suggested and sticky a thread about the book at the top. Same result, nobody rolls their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Buckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9f8e36/32.png) [@Buckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buckeye)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/227 "2008-09-05T04:59:10Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > They are barning your dog. > Barnstards. Best post in the thread 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/228 "2008-09-05T05:13:21Z")
That new movie _Barn After Reading_ is just coming out. And the Disney classic _That Barn Cat!_ I really liked that old film. _Is Paris Barning?_ ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/229 "2008-09-05T05:15:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If people had gone into The Game Room when it was new and started a series of “this forum sucks” threads, that would have drawn warnings too. The fact that nobody raised an eyebrow about a forum devoted solely to the whole wide world of games and sports should tell you just why people are taking umbrage over this excresence of dogs balls proportions: because one person has not only the hubris and ill-judgement but also the power to pull himself a whole forum devoted to pimping a single book, instead of just starting a thread in Cafe Society where it belonged - or stickying it if he didn’t want it to sink like a stone. Christ, the Bible doesn’t get its own forum. _The Origin Of Species_ doesn’t get its own forum. The complete works of Shakespeare don’t get their own forum. _The Adventures Of Milly Molly Mandy_ and _The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion_doesn’t get ther own forums: what’s suddenly so special about this _magnum opus_ that it suddenly merits its own forum? Well, we know what’s special about it: **Ed** wants to keep it off the remainder tables of the nation and he has the pull to pimp it here, and any pretence that it’s a genuine forum for the discussion of home renovations is so transparent to be laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/230 "2008-09-05T05:20:34Z")
I wonder if the Barnyard forum doesn’t pan out, SDMB will suddenly go back to a paid membership model? Billions of bilious blue blistering **barn** acles in a thundering typhoon! _Ed’s a **barn**. . . house He’s tighty whitey Insists on lettin’ all hang out_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Scrivener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@The\_Scrivener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Scrivener)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/231 "2008-09-05T05:20:45Z")
[QUOTE=The Scrivener] ::Originally Posted by Marley23:: Ah, here we go with the hairsplitting. Three threads got locked in there today, deservedly so. Did they say “this forum sucks?” No. They were mocking the purpose of the forum, which I expressed in shorthand as “this forum sucks.” I don’t know if anybody here has ever used the term forum-shitting, but that’s what was going on there.[/Marley23] I have no idea what you’re talking about. I checked the Game Room forum – all four pages, even though pages 2 through 4 were identically null – prior to posting, just to be sure, and there weren’t any locked thread-shitters. There were two locked threads but they were both related to the numeric game – which many participated in and which wasn’t critical of the forum at all, anyway. [/QUOTE] > [@Marley23](#): > > ::Originally posted by The Scrivener:: > I have no idea what you’re talking about.[/The Scrivener] > > I can see. Here’s what I’m saying: threads about the merits or demerits of a forum belong in here or ATMB. Not in the forum in question. And the threads that got locked weren’t actually debating the issues of having a Barn House forum, they were more like threadshitting. Except I was specifically questioning your claim of there being similarly shut-down threads shitting all over the new Game Room forum, since I can’t find these threads of which you speak. Your refusal to respond to this (say, by linking to these mysterious threads), coupled with your misleading quoting of me (a cheap shot, as seen above) fails to address this. Nor is the contested existence of these threadshitting threads in the Game Room forum an entirely trivial point, as it relates to my (and others’) objection to the hair-trigger shutting down of almost all threads critical of the new (yet strongly controversial) Barn House forum – an activist mod policy indicative of, at the very least, insensitivity and arrogance on their part, and at worst, de facto censorship via selective enforcement of the rules. ---
**Author:** ![buns3000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c89c15/32.png) [@buns3000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buns3000)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/232 "2008-09-05T05:52:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > If this is “Ed Zotti’s forum” and/or he has permission from the Chicago Reader/Creative Loafing, then the addition of a new forum is fine by me. It’s not as if I have to vist it, and it might draw some good posters. > > However, if it hasn’t been proposed already, I suggest making it a sub-forum to Cafe Society. Sub-forum, hey? So that’d be like a _thread_? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/233 "2008-09-05T06:01:56Z")
> [@buns3000](#): > > Sub-forum, hey? So that’d be like a _thread_? Exactly, but we call it a “sub-forum” so everybody’s satisfied. It’s a new term – like “enhanced interrogation techniques”. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/234 "2008-09-05T06:25:38Z")
So, is **Marley** the official spokesperson of the new, disliked forum? Was he absent at the last mod meeting and got volunteered? Cudos on taking an unpleasant duty. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/235 "2008-09-05T07:07:35Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > So, is **Marley** the official spokesperson of the new, disliked forum? Was he absent at the last mod meeting and got volunteered? Cudos on taking an unpleasant duty. Nah. I’f you’ve been watching the boards lately, you’ll note that **Marley** has been like Chickenman-fucking everywhere-a one person Mod Squad, (no offense to the 1968 TV show). **Marley** has attempted to raise sycophantic moderating to art form and was first in line at the signing of Ed’s previous, but little known book: _Improve Your Message Board Moderator Status Via Fellatio_. To all of the apologists who claim that Ed built this board, get fucked. Ed provided a venue. Without the content provided by all of us, it wouldn’t amount to a pinch of owl shit. All I’ve asked for, as a member, was to be given the truth and responses to queries in a timely manner, and that hasn’t happened. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/236 "2008-09-05T07:58:24Z")
The Barn House? I suggest they rename it The Potemkin Village, where Ed can come to view an elaborate facade specifically erected to gratify his ego, and gaze at the magnificent fruits of his reign while being greeted by cheering throngs, and where all grumbling and dissent is assiduously swept away by his his toadying ministers. Jesus, we spend four years begging for barely adequate service, and the moment it arrives he uses it to erect monument to himself. ---
**Author:** ![FarmerChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FarmerChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FarmerChick)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/237 "2008-09-05T10:51:53Z")
> [@The\_Scrivener](#): > > **Except I was specifically questioning your claim of there being similarly shut-down threads shitting all over the new Game Room forum,** since I can’t find these threads of which you speak. Your refusal to respond to this (say, by linking to these mysterious threads), coupled with your misleading quoting of me (a cheap shot, as seen above) fails to address this. > > **Nor is the contested existence of these threadshitting threads in the Game Room forum an entirely trivial point** , as it relates to my (and others’) objection to the hair-trigger shutting down of almost all threads critical of the new (yet strongly controversial) Barn House forum – an activist mod policy indicative of, at the very least, insensitivity and arrogance on their part, and at worst, de facto censorship via selective enforcement of the rules. Holy fuck you’re an idiot. He NEVER said that. > [@Marley23](#): > > … It’s because that’s just dickish behavior. \*\* If \*\*people had gone into The Game Room when it was new and started a series of “this forum sucks” threads, that would have drawn warnings too. I made it extra big so you wouldn’t miss it this time ya goof. Now find a different horse to flog, that one’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/238 "2008-09-05T10:53:54Z")
> [@FarmerChick](#): > > Now find a different horse to flog, that one’s dead. You stay away from my pigs. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/239 "2008-09-05T11:03:53Z")
Aww, look, everybody, **danceswithcats** is back! After the upgrade that was never going to happen happened, I was worried you’d run out of things to whine about and would just take your ball and go home. I don’t know how I found the strength to continue in your absence. > [@The\_Scrivener](#): > > Except I was specifically questioning your claim of there being similarly shut-down threads shitting all over the new Game Room forum, since I can’t find these threads of which you speak. Jesus, this is hopeless. I made no claim, I used a rhetorical device called a hypothetical, expressed by starting the sentence with the word “if.” I said _IF_ there had been similar threads in the Game Room, they WOULD have been shut down, as some of the threads in the Barn House have been. > [@](#): > > it relates to my (and others’) objection to the hair-trigger shutting down of almost all threads critical of the new (yet strongly controversial) Barn House forum If there was any activist mod policy, this thread would have been shut down, too. And we’d probably have locked the two threads in ATMB and then rolled our panzers into the Sudetenland. That hasn’t happened, and I leave it to you to figure out why. Duplicate threads get locked. I don’t know why you’re expressing some level of shock about that, as it’s neither “activist” nor unusual. ---
**Author:** ![FarmerChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FarmerChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FarmerChick)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2008, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946/240 "2008-09-05T11:04:32Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > You stay away from my pigs. Tain’t me flogging…:dubious: _edited to add quote for clarity_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-wee-bit-hypocritical-there-ed/461946.md?page=13)