# A "What the fuck?" to TheWhoToTheWhatNow **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125 "2011-05-25T06:44:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/21 "2011-05-25T12:16:50Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It does. But as they say, “cite?” I’m hoping leander has one. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/22 "2011-05-25T12:25:12Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > See, here’s the thing. The line separating “rape” from “romance” is less a tightrope and more a giant, twenty-foot thick stripe with neon lights decorating it from end to end, a high barbed-wire fence on either side, and a big sign that says “Jesus Christ, dude, don’t fuck people unless they want to fuck you back” hung at every fence post. TWttWN is trying to imagine ambiguity where none exists. Yes. The “tightrope” bit seared my eyeball as well. Excellent post, **storyteller0910**. ---
**Author:** ![TheWhoToTheWhatNow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a88e4f/32.png) [@TheWhoToTheWhatNow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheWhoToTheWhatNow)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/23 "2011-05-25T12:30:15Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > See, TWttWN wants to get laid _every time he tries_, because it is the only prop he has to hold up his self-esteem, and _as far as he is concerned he has to get what he wants._ Nah, I like to get laid because sex is fun. Like I said a bunch of times, there’s a “no” that means “no” and we back off. But I guess glossing over that makes it easier to make stories up. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Are there women who will say, “no, we shouldn’t,” while simultaneously unhooking their bra and pulling down your zipper with their teeth? Yes. These women are not being ambiguous. Their interest is very clear. Thanks. This is what I was saying when I said I don’t do the pancakes 'n rape, that that’s an example, and that we learn to tell the token resistance from the real “no means no” stuff. Again it was other people who extrapolated to “YOU SOMETIMES IGNORE RESISTANCE SO THAT MEANS YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO GET THEM TO TOUCH YOUR PEEN AND YOU ARE TEH RAPISTTTT, LOOK YOU EVEN GAVE A THEORETICAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE!!! RAAAAAAPEEEEEE!!!” degrees. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Unless you are absolutely infalliable (you aren’t) Like I said in the other thread, if I err it’s to the cautious “back off” side, not the “ehh, let’s rape her and see what happens” side. Feel free to keep not reading what I write and making shit up in your head though, your username is apt. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > None. This is absolutely true. Then my argument is sound, since it’s just a ramped up version of that concept. > [@Marley23](#): > > **TheWhoToTheWhatNow** , that ASCII penis might be your best contribution to the board so far, but it’s not allowed. Don’t do it again. haha sorry, didn’t know. Just tired of quoting myself and re-explaining stuff I’ve explained, figure if people are going to just make shit up and ignore me when I put caveats that I’m discussing theory instead of actual actions, I might as well be drawing entertaining ASCII art. - TWTTWN ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/24 "2011-05-25T12:47:45Z")
No one is making up shit about you. You said that, if the woman doesn’t think it’s rape afterwards, it isn’t rape. That is a morally repugnant position. You have not retracted it. That means you are morally repugnant. It doesn’t matter that you personally don’t do it. It matters that you personally don’t think it’s wrong. Look, I’m probably the one guy on this board who doesn’t see being a PUA as inherently immoral, but even I see that you are an immoral shit. You think rape is okay if you convince someone it wasn’t really rape. That’s what rapists do, asshole. You are defending rapists. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/25 "2011-05-25T13:06:19Z")
In his defense, “rape-n-pancakes” would make a capital band name. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/26 "2011-05-25T13:36:54Z")
I’m totally on board with this Pitting. I have wanted to tell **TheWhoToTheWhatNow** to put his cock away for some time now. We’re just trying to chat here, we don’t need to see it every moment. You don’t know about every woman, you just know about some that are willing to fall for your game; be they naive, dumb, or just easy-going (or just easy). I think you’re kind of gross. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/27 "2011-05-25T14:09:44Z")
I found his insight valuable in the first thread about pick-up artists a couple months ago. But wow, has it been downhill from there. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/28 "2011-05-25T14:14:51Z")
> [@robertliguori](#): > > “…I need a minor prod to start getting into this…” I’m given to understand it’s not the size but how you use it. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/29 "2011-05-25T14:15:21Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’m totally on board with this Pitting. I have wanted to tell **TheWhoToTheWhatNow** to put his cock away for some time now. We’re just trying to chat here, we don’t need to see it every moment. You don’t know about every woman, you just know about some that are willing to fall for your game; be they naive, dumb, or just easy-going (or just easy). I think you’re kind of gross. You’re just repressing your true feelings for him. Here, let him put this inside of you, it’ll all make so much more sense then. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/30 "2011-05-25T14:19:35Z")
It sounds like “pick up artist” is basically code for “serial rapist.” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/31 "2011-05-25T14:23:08Z")
I figured it was code for Since We’re So Pathetic, Let’s All Pretend We’re Barney Stinson. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/32 "2011-05-25T14:23:19Z")
> [@TWTTWN](#): > > But if you have the same sex with a girl and she’s protesting the entire time, BUT you make her feel positive about the event, cuddling her after, calming her emotions/anger/etc. down, make her laugh, get her in a good state again, eat breakfast together, take her number, date for a few times, etc. In this state you there’s a good chance she’ll view the event as a romantic sexual adventure. > [@TWTTWN](#): > > That’s not to say that PUAs are out raping women and making them feel good about it (though I’m sure a lot of people will spin it that way) Well, first of all, we’re not talking about PUAs. We’re talking about you, and the words you have posted. And, your second quote non-withstanding, your first post describes rape. There is no spin, there is no generalizing to PUAs in general. You have defended “rape a girl and then apologize until she doesn’t press charges” as a dating strategy. It doesn’t matter if you’ve enacted it or not. You’ve posted the functional equivalent of “Oh, well, if you beat the hell out of a guy and then convince him that you were both actually trying out for UFC, you can get into fights with no consequences.” and then trying to claim you DON’T support assaulting people. > [@leander](#): > > This is a former member who is trolling the fuck out of you guys. Frankly I can’t believe he’s managed to last this long. If you could maybe provide some evidence for that in-thread or to the powers-that-be, that would be useful. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > See, here’s the thing. The line separating “rape” from “romance” is less a tightrope and more a giant, twenty-foot thick stripe with neon lights decorating it from end to end, a high barbed-wire fence on either side, and a big sign that says “Jesus Christ, dude, don’t fuck people unless they want to fuck you back” hung at every fence post. Once again, I feel compelled to inform you that I would HAPPILY have your adopted man-babies. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/33 "2011-05-25T14:27:58Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > It sounds like “pick up artist” is basically code for “serial rapist.” I wouldn’t go that far. Mostly it’s code for “guy who needs some instruction in basic techniques for chatting with a stranger without tripping over their own tongue and/or dick”. TWTTWN is code for “rape apologist”, though. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/34 "2011-05-25T14:33:15Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think new member **TheWhoToTheWhatNow** should meet **ZPG Zealot**. Something tells me they’d have a swimmingly good time. Would they shake hands, and then share a tasty pancake breakfast? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/35 "2011-05-25T14:39:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Like I said a bunch of times, there’s a “no” that means “no” and we back off. But I guess glossing over that makes it easier to make stories up. > [@](#): > > This is what I was saying when I said I don’t do the pancakes 'n rape, that that’s an example, and that we learn to tell the token resistance from the real “no means no” stuff. Again it was other people who extrapolated to “YOU SOMETIMES IGNORE RESISTANCE SO THAT MEANS YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO GET THEM TO TOUCH YOUR PEEN AND YOU ARE TEH RAPISTTTT, LOOK YOU EVEN GAVE A THEORETICAL EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE!!! RAAAAAAPEEEEEE!!!” degrees. I will say no once. With my mouth. Then I will either break a rib or pull out my knife. No means no. It doesn’t mean yes, it doesn’t mean maybe, it means no. Now, if someone is protesting the whole time, that means no. And it doesn’t mean you can talk her out of pressing charges later. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/36 "2011-05-25T14:51:02Z")
nm… ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/37 "2011-05-25T14:51:38Z")
> [@TheWhoToTheWhatNow](#): > > Nah, I like to get laid because sex is fun. Like I said a bunch of times, there’s a “no” that means “no” and we back off. But I guess glossing over that makes it easier to make stories up. What the fuck? We? You got a fucking mouse in your pocket? I’d be content to think there’s only one of you but if there’s more, you bunch of fucked up cocksuckers need to be nuked from orbit. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/38 "2011-05-25T14:56:53Z")
> [@TheWhoToTheWhatNow](#): > > So which part of the summary of my point: “If you offend a person but smooth things over with them afterward, they’ll often forgive you” do you specifically disagree with? Actually, TheWhoToTheWhatNow I agree with you. I also agree with you that if you rape someone and then go out to IHOP afterwards and she suddenly turns smitten with you over blueberry syrup and whipped cream, then last night was a laugh riot. You know, basically in the same way that if I were to strap wings onto a pig and push him out of an airplane and he lived to tell the tale, it would be a really kick ass thing to do, rather than horrific animal abuse. Thing is, you’d have to be really fucked up to want to do it in the first place regardless of the outcome and 99.9% of the time the pig is going to be so splattered upon impact you couldn’t even get a good side of bacon out of the wreckage. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/39 "2011-05-25T14:58:22Z")
TWTTWN likes to believe that he is picked on because he is a self-described PUA, but that’s not true. I am not against the PUA movement. Fact: I have “Rules of The Game” by Neil “Style” Strauss sitting on my bookshelf. But I almost started this thread and I would have used the same quotes as the OP. Those statements are completely indefensible and disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/40 "2011-05-25T15:03:25Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I found his insight valuable in the first thread about pick-up artists a couple months ago. But wow, has it been downhill from there. I was skeeved from the get-go, and found the glad-handing by several posters to be… troubling. It’s nice, at least, to confirm that my instincts are properly calibrated. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125.md?page=3)