# A "What the fuck?" to TheWhoToTheWhatNow **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2011, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125 "2011-05-25T06:44:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/142 "2011-05-26T22:41:13Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > It’s not just the physical fucking, it’s the mindfucking. > > Just listened to a very timely “[Savage Love](http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLovePodcast/Page/)” episode last night. The caller at 20:22 talks about a situation in which she was with a guy in an uncomfortable situation and she doesn’t know if she was “officially raped” or not. She admits that she decided to go “upstairs” with a guy. But after saying no to sex, he persisted and convinced her that she should. He broke down her defenses and she finally agreed to it. But here’s the thing, she’s still so traumatized by this experience **two years out** , and you can hear it in her voice, that she has to call an advice columnist to help move past this. > > It drives home the point of something Whotothewhatnow’s PUA religion either doesn’t get, or doesn’t care about: this “smoothing things over” mindfuck may last long enough for PUA-bags to get out the door, but people they leave behind in their wake are still damaged nonetheless. Women have a right to be pissed at them for being manipulative sociopaths. Even guys should be pissed because the guys that come after them are going to be dealing with the baggage that they left behind. > > You don’t need to be a rapist to abuse someone emotionally; and it’s not the kind of thing that’s done by accident. > > _Listen to the podcast episode linked above, much more and better discussion happens than I can provide here._ Yes, this is exactly why WTTWN’s cavalier evaluation of his ability to read people accurately bothered me. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/143 "2011-05-26T22:47:14Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > How about Bacon, Eggs, Rape, and Spam? It doesn’t have much rape in it. Damn, beat me to it by about 15 minutes. Stupid work. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/144 "2011-05-26T22:47:49Z")
> [@robertliguori](#): > > Yes, this is exactly why WTTWN’s cavalier evaluation of his ability to read people accurately bothered me. He’s completely self-absorbed and incapable of picking up on obvious cues on a forum. I find it pretty likely that he is completely self-absorbed and incapable of picking up on really obvious cues in person. But I also think that while he’s incredibly creepy, he’s also lying. A lot. My favorite part is where he thinks that if women set all sorts of obstacles and demands in front of him and he performs all of them that means he’s setting the rules. It’s like a dog thinking he designed the agility course he just ran. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/145 "2011-05-26T22:53:07Z")
> [@B.Serum](#): > > Even guys should be pissed because the guys that come after them are going to be dealing with the baggage that they left behind. This is a really good point (and I think someone made it in the pick-up artist GD thread). If you’re a man who dates women, don’t just get pissed off over how some of these douches treat women, get pissed off because some of those women might be your next girlfriend. If your whole system relies on women doubting themselves enough to think you have a shot with them (e.g. Negging, purposefully not going after the ‘hottest’ girl in her group so she’ll be jealous), I hope their next boyfriends – the ones who have to constantly reassure their new partner ‘Yes, someone is actually attracted to you as a person’ – find you and punch you in the gut. ---
**Author:** ![perfectparanoia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@perfectparanoia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/perfectparanoia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/146 "2011-05-26T23:02:09Z")
I tend to lurk so I don’t really have much to say except that all y’all missed the thread below which say he has a GIRLFRIEND. Makes this whole PUA thing even more bizarre. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=607254](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=607254) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/147 "2011-05-26T23:14:22Z")
Yeah, but that was, like, two and half weeks ago. We’re talking a stack of pancakes three foot high. He’s done with that shit, yo. ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/148 "2011-05-26T23:23:21Z")
Hrm, I’m not a big fan of pancakes, but I’ll forgive a handshake if someone gives me a cookie! ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/149 "2011-05-26T23:25:48Z")
> [@MaddyStrut](#): > > Hrm, I’m not a big fan of pancakes, but I’ll forgive a handshake if someone gives me a cookie! :: loads of teleport pad with 144 cookies of various flavors & pops them over :: And you didn’t even have to shake my hand. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/150 "2011-05-27T00:05:51Z")
144 cookies eh? Two loves I have of comfort and rapecakes Which like two spirits do suggest me still… ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/151 "2011-05-27T00:15:41Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > 144 cookies eh? Gross. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/152 "2011-05-27T00:38:06Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I have a waffle maker. 🆒 But it only makes blue waffles… ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/153 "2011-05-27T01:30:07Z")
Escape any scrape with grape-flavored rape-crêpes.TM ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/154 "2011-05-27T01:32:38Z")
So is the problem here with the rape or the choice of breakfast? It seems like steak and eggs or maybe a nice brioche may be called for here. Pancakes come pretty cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/155 "2011-05-27T01:41:37Z")
I’ll have waffles, but only if they’re [Hello Kitty waffles](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00020QJDU?ie=UTF8&tag=adventinbento-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00020QJDU). > [@robertliguori](#): > > Yes, this is exactly why WTTWN’s cavalier evaluation of his ability to read people accurately bothered me. Not being able to get said podcast, what did Savage have to say? ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/156 "2011-05-27T01:42:52Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > So is the problem here with the rape or the choice of breakfast? It seems like steak and eggs or maybe a nice brioche may be called for here. Pancakes come pretty cheap. A little bit of both. If you rape and refuse breakfast, that’s just gauche. If you rape and offer a poor breakfast, it’s like Eh.. You tried, but Could Try Harder. Let’s call it a Star Minus. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/157 "2011-05-27T02:08:10Z")
I dunno…my dad made some pretty awesome pancakes. With just a little vanilla extract. Mmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/158 "2011-05-27T02:13:23Z")
All I can say is there better be bacon with the rapecakes. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/159 "2011-05-27T02:15:57Z")
\*Rapecakes… on my pillow, makes me happy Rapecakes… almost always makes me cry.\* ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/160 "2011-05-27T03:02:15Z")
Shiny happy rapecakes holding hands ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125/161 "2011-05-27T03:08:55Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > Shiny happy rapecakes holding hands Nooooooo! I’ll rape you, but I won’t hold hands. That’s way too intimate for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-what-the-fuck-to-thewhotothewhatnow/583125.md?page=9)