# A world without Lenin?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-world-without-lenin/540384>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [May 22, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-world-without-lenin/540384 "2010-05-22T17:38:03Z")\
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**Author:** ![Zephyurs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/dfb087/32.png) [@Zephyurs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zephyurs)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-world-without-lenin/540384/21 "2010-06-01T06:42:02Z")

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Another question: does a non-Bolshevik USSR help or hurt German leftist revolutionaries? That may well be the biggest issue. Russia would have continued to fight the war longer, which probably means a faster and more complete victory in Germany. Russia also gets more of the spoils in Eastern Europe, since they’re part of the victorious coalition.

Does Russia develop as rapidly? Stalin’s, erm, gift to the USSR was the mass liquidation and conversion of human capital into industrial capital–which long term, might mean faster growth than if Stalin never was in power.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-world-without-lenin/540384/22 "2010-06-01T13:14:54Z")

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> [@Zephyurs](#):
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> Russia also gets more of the spoils in Eastern Europe, since they’re part of the victorious coalition.

That throws in doubt the emergence of an independent Poland after the war.

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