# ABC hiding Epstein's story **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 7, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137 "2019-11-07T18:50:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/81 "2019-11-10T00:05:33Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > One big mystery is: **How did Epstein get his huge wealth in the first place?** > Nobody seems to know. He was a failed nobody with expensive tastes and suddenly started throwing huge parties. Maybe the IRS should know where his money came from, but they aren’t talking. I just watched the FoxNews video; Amy Robach says that Epstein “made his whole living blackmailing people.” Occam’s Razor says she’s right. Wikipedia suggests Epstein’s business was rather like Madoff’s. _Voluntarily being fleeced à la Madoff is one way for a rich man to funnel large sums to Epstein without leaving an undesirable paper trail._ > > I hardly know the Covington details, and would be guessing to venture at Prince Andrew’s guilt. But lumping in the hideous harasser Kavanaugh, along with “unproven/disproven” tells me what I need to know about your opinions. > > Wow! Just wow!!! I guess FoxNews/Limbaugh/Infowars are responsible media who would never impugn the Clintons. But ABC is a Lie Machine that would jump all over Trump or Pence. Is that it? WOW! I’m a semi-retired NYC hedge fund guy, and no one I know has ever done a trade with him. It’s a scam pure and simple. I remember when Madoff’s returns came across my desk and I asked someone to find out what kind of arbitrage he was doing because his Sharpe Ratio (measure of risk/reward) was 3 - which you just don’t get without some sort of arbitrage strategy. They came back and said he sold covered calls. I told him either his information was wrong or it’s a scam. It’s not like I was particularly prescient - there isn’t a single professional trader in history who would believe his returns were plausible. How he didn’t get caught before he did is completely outside my realm of comprehension. Can’t wait to hear what Epstein’s scam was. With all those cameras I’m guessing it was blackmail. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/82 "2019-11-10T00:42:53Z")
Democrats shouldn’t be defending Bill Clinton, here or anywhere. Every allegation should be treated seriously, and the allegations against Bill Clinton in the past weren’t taken seriously. The party has actually improved on this issue, unlike the Republicans who have actually regressed (now, it’s pretty much routine for Republican officials to dismiss allegations of rape and celebrate/elevate admitted and credibly accused sexual abusers). But improving isn’t nearly enough. We should be taking every allegation seriously, and there’s no reason at all for credibly accused sexual abusers in the party to be defended. The Republican party is the Party of Rape and the Party of Rapists. In order to beat them in the long term (and to have a chance at improving the abominable way that our society treats women and girls and victims/survivors in general), we need to be the party that moves past rapists and sexual abusers, including those credibly accused. We have plenty of good candidates and advocates with no credible allegations against them. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/83 "2019-11-10T00:52:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Democrats shouldn’t be defending Bill Clinton, here or anywhere. Every allegation should be treated seriously, and the allegations against Bill Clinton in the past weren’t taken seriously. The party has actually improved on this issue, unlike the Republicans who have actually regressed (now, it’s pretty much routine for Republican officials to dismiss allegations of rape and celebrate/elevate admitted and credibly accused sexual abusers). But improving isn’t nearly enough. We should be taking every allegation seriously, and there’s no reason at all for credibly accused sexual abusers in the party to be defended. > > The Republican party is the Party of Rape and the Party of Rapists. In order to beat them in the long term (and to have a chance at improving the abominable way that our society treats women and girls and victims/survivors in general), we need to be the party that moves past rapists and sexual abusers, including those credibly accused. We have plenty of good candidates and advocates with no credible allegations against them. This is an utterly myopic post, especially from someone from Virginia. Who is the Party of Rapists again? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/84 "2019-11-10T01:12:14Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And that’s what happened to Brett Kavanaugn and the Covington Kids? Whataboutism, like Monday morning quarterbacking is not a good argument. As the rest of your post showed, it is clear that you do want to ignore the evidence that shows how the powerful (and specially tabloid right wing media) spiked and prevented other outfits to get corroborating evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/85 "2019-11-10T01:16:43Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > This is an utterly myopic post, especially from someone from Virginia. Who is the Party of Rapists again? The Republicans, quite obviously, who continuously celebrate and elevate admitted and credibly accused sexual abusers. If the Democratic party celebrates and elevates Justin Fairfax, then maybe you’d have a tiny smidgen point, but it seems pretty clear to me that he has absolutely no future in the Democratic party. Perhaps he’ll become a Republican – I’m sure they’d welcome him with open arms. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/86 "2019-11-10T01:27:41Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > This is an utterly myopic post, especially from someone from Virginia. Who is the Party of Rapists again? IIRC, many Democrats in the General Assembly in Virginia asked Justin Fairfax to resign, until more comes out I still think that more pressure is needed to investigate the incidents, and he had to leave his post as chairman of the Democratic Lieutenant Governors Association. FWIW the Republicans in a lot of their ads did play a lot on the rape allegations, as it turned out, it was really hard to gain traction in Virginia with those accusations, when the fearless Republican leader has many, many more and the number of Republicans demanding that he resigns because of those allegations is… ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/87 "2019-11-10T01:31:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Republicans, quite obviously, who continuously celebrate and elevate admitted and credibly accused sexual abusers. If the Democratic party celebrates and elevates Justin Fairfax, then maybe you’d have a tiny smidgen point, but it seems pretty clear to me that he has absolutely no future in the Democratic party. Perhaps he’ll become a Republican – I’m sure they’d welcome him with open arms. The Dems still celebrate and elevate JFK. > **[Mimi and the President](https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president)** > > When a desk in John F. Kennedy’s crowded press office was occupied by a nineteen-year-old intern named Mimi Beardsley, who spent a good deal of time … Ohhh…the Dems who control Virginia could impeach him but party before justice, right? But this is a moronic debate because press coverage of Dems and Reps is not equal and it obviously favors and protects Dems. So we wont be getting equal and fair coverage of this issue. And your use of loaded language isnt helping. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/88 "2019-11-10T01:35:24Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The Dems still celebrate and elevate JFK. JFK is long dead. And yes, the Democratic party used to be a Party of Rape and a Party of Rapists. But they’ve actually started to change. The Republican party was the same… and now they’ve gotten even worse. Much, much worse. > [@](#): > > Ohhh…the Dems who control Virginia could impeach him but party before justice, right? The Democrats do not, in fact, control Virginia. Soon they’ll take control of the legislature, and we’ll see what they do. If they celebrate and elevate Fairfax like the Republicans have celebrated/elevated Trump, Kavanaugh, and others, then you’ll have a point and I’ll come back and congratulate you. > [@](#): > > But this is a moronic debate because press coverage of Dems and Reps is not equal and it obviously favors and protects Dems. So we wont be getting equal and fair coverage of this issue. And your use of loaded language isnt helping. I’m just looking at the facts, and the words of the GOP President. The GOP elevated and celebrates Trump, continuously, when he has bragged about sexual assault and violations of consent on multiple occasions, and has numerous credible allegations of rape and sexual assault against him. The GOP is the Party of Trump – the Party of Sexual Abuse. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/89 "2019-11-10T01:38:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > IIRC, many Democrats in the General Assembly in Virginia asked Justin Fairfax to resign, until more comes out I still think that more pressure is needed to investigate the incidents, and he had to leave his post as chairman of the Democratic Lieutenant Governors Association. > > FWIW the Republicans in a lot of their ads did play a lot on the rape allegations, as it turned out, it was really hard to gain traction in Virginia with those accusations, when the fearless Republican leader has many, many more and the number of Republicans demanding that he resigns because of those allegations is… This is fair enough. Who is the fearless Rep leader? Trump? I predict that the Reps will pursue a 25th Amendment solution to the Trump nightmare and he will be out before Christmas. No one likes him. No one respects him. And politically he is a Rep in name only. Ideologically, he is apolitical and only pursued office to pursue his own narcissistic goals and achieve what he imagines will be greatness. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/90 "2019-11-10T01:42:09Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The Dems still celebrate and elevate JFK. > > [Mimi and the President | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president) > > Ohhh…the Dems who control Virginia could impeach him but party before justice, right? :dubious: Not sure about using that example, I would have thought that getting a bullet to his head would have been an excessive punishment. But more seriously, I only point at that as an explanation why in part is that he is elevated, if Kennedy had survived I would expect rape allegations to have been more prominently mentioned. Of course also being very capable and helping avoid a nuclear holocaust and thus allowing me and you to post on the internet now is also something to take into account. BTW, just try to see a documentary on the Cuban Missile Crisis and picture the current rapist/moron in power in the place of Kennedy back then, I do think that you will not sleep soundly at night… ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/91 "2019-11-10T02:09:51Z")
Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and kicking. That guy lives rent-free in so many people’s heads, everything is about him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/92 "2019-11-10T02:15:30Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and kicking. That guy lives rent-free in so many people’s heads, everything is about him. It might be hard to understand that some people really think sexual abuse of women and girls is a truly terrible thing, and actually transcends politics… but it’s true. Some of us really oppose sexual assault and rape, even in our own party! I heartily recommend the stance for others. Why not try it? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/93 "2019-11-10T02:28:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :dubious: > > Not sure about using that example, I would have thought that getting a bullet to his head would have been an excessive punishment. But more seriously, I only point at that as an explanation why in part is that he is elevated, if Kennedy had survived I would expect rape allegations to have been more prominently mentioned. > > Of course also being very capable and helping avoid a nuclear holocaust and thus allowing me and you to post on the internet now is also something to take into account. > > BTW, just try to see a documentary on the Cuban Missile Crisis and picture the current rapist/moron in power in the place of Kennedy back then, I do think that you will not sleep soundly at night… While I dont disagree with your post, and agree that Kennedy did a good job managing the crisis, Khrushchev was bluffing and both the Americans and Soviets blundered badly by letting things get so far. The fact that a lone Soviet nuclear sub commander came the closest to starting a nuclear war says it all. How US intelligence agencies let 40K battle hardened Soviet soldiers enter Cuba without being detected was a massive intelligence failure. That Kennedy didnt have a good working relationship with Khrushchev was another blunder that brought both countries to the brink of war. > **[One Step from Nuclear War](https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2012/fall/cuban-missiles.html)** > > The Cuban Missile Crisis at 50: In Search of Historical Perspective Fall 2012, Vol. 44, No. 2 By Martin J. Sherwin © 2012 by Martin J. Sherwin Enlarge The Executive Committee of the National Security Council (ExComm), meeting in the White House... > **[JFK Was Completely Unprepared For His Summit with Khrushchev | HISTORY](https://www.history.com/news/kennedy-krushchev-vienna-summit-meeting-1961)** > > 'He just beat the hell out of me,' Kennedy said of his meeting with his Cold War adversary. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/94 "2019-11-10T04:31:02Z")
Indeed, blinders were made by both sides, but the point stands as it was about how to get out of a crisis like that needs a capable hand. We are still lucky that such a crisis has not come while we have this current administration, but we are close to that IMHO. > **[Would we have survived the Cuban missile crisis if Donald Trump had been...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/16/donald-trump-intelligence-community-disdain-national-crisis-decision-dictators-column/3678884002/)** > > Trump's disregard for U.S. intelligence is increasingly risky as threats mount, from Iran and North Korea to climate change and Russian aggression. > [@](#): > > We have a president who doesn’t believe in facts, dismisses his intelligence advisers, places his faith in dictators and gets his news from blow-dried bootlickers on Fox & Friends. What happens when a true crisis erupts? If Kim resumes testing of long-range missiles? If Russia makes a move on the Baltics, which are now members of NATO? If climate change spawns deadlier, more frequent storms, fires and drought, and more global migration? > > And what happens if you appear to make decisions not in terms of what’s best for the country but what’s best for you? This is what sets Trump apart from his predecessors. We’ve certainly questioned past presidents and their handling of crises — notably and most recently George W. Bush’s overreliance on what turned out to be faulty intelligence leading to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. But we’ve never seriously wondered whether Bush, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln,.Franklin Roosevelt or any other presidents cared about themselves more than the country, or were somehow selling out or beholden to a foreign power. It is extraordinary, and disturbing, that such questions continue to be asked of our current president. As for the matter at hand, The National Enquirer is still pointed out as one group that stopped and prevented accusers to come forward. > **[Ronan Farrow: National Enquirer Tried to Help Trump Bury Teen Rape Claims](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-teen-rape-allegation-national-enquirer-ronan-farrow-jane-doe-1465652)** > > In 2016, an anonymous woman filed several lawsuits against Trump alleging she was raped aged 13. Then she disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/95 "2019-11-10T05:32:52Z")
Can someone please link to The Video that everyone is talking about? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yeah, if only there was some kind of private island for people like that. Maybe Clinton is very guilty. I wrote my comment before reading posts asserting visits to Pedo Island with the Secret Service ditched behind. OTOH: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Well, except for Brett Kavanaugh …Then the media will run with whatever thin sliver of bullshit they can find. If you had to bet, would you guess Blasey Ford (his principal accuser) speaks the truth or not? I am NOT asking whether proof was ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ (or whatever you think the standard is for Scotus appointment). I am NOT asking whether you think frat-boy pranks should disqualify. I just wonder what your judgment is of the likelihood Ford was truthful. (Yes, this is a test. 🙂 ) I know the party line for “conservatives” ( 🙂 ) is that Ford was lying. My knowledge of human nature tells me they’re probably wrong. Recall that Ford isn’t an hysterical Trump-hater; she’s a respected academic who came forward reluctantly. In another thread you refused to make a probability estimate. Are you going to go with that cop-out again? > [@DrDeth](#): > > I hope you can see the difference that Epstein being a proven sexual predator and rapist and the vague unproven allegations of there being a organized pedophile sex ring for the rich & famous. Very large parties; large buildings on Pedophile Island; large numbers of girls. What does Occam’s Razor tell you? Recall that Jane Doe claims she was threatened with death if she pursued her rape charge against Trump. Maybe she was, maybe not. But it is quite naïve to doubt that men like Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Mohammad bin Salman (and yes, perhaps Epstein or Clinton) have thugs they can turn to to make or complete a death threat. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/96 "2019-11-10T07:24:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :dubious: > > Not sure about using that example, I would have thought that getting a bullet to his head would have been an excessive punishment. But more seriously, I only point at that as an explanation why in part is that he is elevated, if Kennedy had survived I would expect rape allegations to have been more prominently mentioned. > … JFK had lots of very consensual sex. Times were different. It wasnt even much of a secret. No “rapes”, no underaged girls. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/97 "2019-11-10T14:39:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It might be hard to understand that some people really think sexual abuse of women and girls is a truly terrible thing, and actually transcends politics… but it’s true. Some of us really oppose sexual assault and rape, even in our own party! > > I heartily recommend the stance for others. Why not try it? You win 20 Virtue points. When you get to 150 you can exchange them for an ice-cream, one scoop. My point with DRS is not that he is guilty or not, is that some people have to make absolutely everything about him. This thread is about ABC and Epstein and why they hid the story and you want to make it about Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/98 "2019-11-10T14:45:19Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > OTOH: > > If you had to bet, would you guess Blasey Ford (his principal accuser) speaks the truth or not? I am NOT asking whether proof was ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ (or whatever you think the standard is for Scotus appointment). I am NOT asking whether you think frat-boy pranks should disqualify. I just wonder what your judgment is of the likelihood Ford was truthful. (Yes, this is a test. 🙂 ) > > I know the party line for “conservatives” ( 🙂 ) is that Ford was lying. **My knowledge of human nature tells me they’re probably wrong**. Recall that Ford isn’t an hysterical Trump-hater; she’s a respected academic who came forward reluctantly. > > In another thread you refused to make a probability estimate. Are you going to go with that cop-out again? (snipped, my bolding) So, that’s the rule, “knowledge of human nature” for a rape accusation? Even when everyone else in the story says it’s wrong? Would you accept it against you? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/99 "2019-11-10T14:48:13Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > You win 20 Virtue points. When you get to 150 you can exchange them for an ice-cream, one scoop. > > My point with DRS is not that he is guilty or not, is that some people have to make absolutely everything about him. This thread is about ABC and Epstein and why they hid the story and you want to make it about Trump. As already shown with many examples, it is about the how rightist media was also part of the efforts to cover up this, causing extreme frustration to media like ABC. That the coverup was to protect Trump also is an important thing to notice. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137/100 "2019-11-10T15:21:37Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > If you had to bet, would you guess Blasey Ford (his principal accuser) speaks the truth or not? Not who you asked, but it became very clear at the hearings that she was almost certainly not telling the truth, and that it was almost certain that they were never at a party where the alleged attack could have happened. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abc-hiding-epsteins-story/843137.md?page=6)