# Abolish the White Race - By Any Means Necessary **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 22, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807 "2017-01-22T06:31:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/121 "2017-01-28T02:36:21Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Cite, Provide me any written source in the colonies calling all europeans “white” that is pre 1961… [QUOTE=Ale] …you seem to have a narrow view of history [/QUOTE] I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/122 "2017-01-28T03:05:43Z")
Oops, hit reply too soon ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/123 "2017-01-28T03:30:52Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Cite, Provide me any written source in the colonies calling all europeans “white” that is pre 1961. > > More importantly provide a cite that these people with less melanin thought of themselves as being “white” and a cohesive group based on that trait alone as you claim. Alright, I’ve had my breakfast and spent the time looking for a cite. You premise is _“… (white is) a category that only exists due to a political effort to fracture decent.”_ Something invented by Europeans in what became the US with a political purpose. In that case I can simply point out to any instance of Europeans being defined as white by non Europeans, with no explicit racial segregation agenda, to falsify the premise. I happen to know, for instance, that the term for a white person in Malay is _orang putih_, which literally means white man (you may be more familiar with orang-utang: orange man), and that term has been used by the Malays since they first came in contact with Europeans: [ > [@](#): > > **First contact of the Portuguese with Malay people:** > “Maka sekaliannya hairan melihat dia, maka kata orang Melaka ia-ini Benggali putih”. > (“why these are white Bengalis”) > ( ]([http://alwestmeditates.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-arrival-of-portuguese-malay-annals.html](http://alwestmeditates.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-arrival-of-portuguese-malay-annals.html)) As you see, their first reaction was to define them as being white, which carried on over time. > [@](#): > > [“In 1600… The Agustinian managed to establish excellent relations with his host, who conferred on him the title of Bintara Orang Kaya Maharaja Lela Putih.(51)” > > “(51) This indicates a herald (bintara), a title of the royal court (orang kaya), a position close to the sultan (maharaha lela), and the colour white (putih).”]([The Portuguese and the Straits of Melaka, 1575-1619: Power, Trade and Diplomacy - Paulo Jorge De Sousa Pinto - Google Books](https://books.google.co.th/books?id=943GBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=orang+putih+portuguese&source=bl&ots=3FrjNoKf8Z&sig=R1w25k4YydJ6B3FIEZngEQ0UUX0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_tM_k5-PRAhXLM48KHWDqABQQ6AEIJDAD#v=onepage&q=orang%20putih%20portuguese&f=false)) As for your second request for a cite, I didn’t claim what you said I claimed, so there’s no point. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/124 "2017-01-28T03:52:25Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Alright, I’ve had my breakfast and spent the time looking for a cite. > > You premise is _“… (white is) a category that only exists due to a political effort to fracture decent.”_ Something invented by Europeans in what became the US with a political purpose. > > In that case I can simply point out to any instance of Europeans being defined as white by non Europeans, with no explicit racial segregation agenda, to falsify the premise. > > I happen to know, for instance, that the term for a white person in Malay is _orang putih_, which literally means white man (you may be more familiar with orang-utang: orange man), and that term has been used by the Malays since they first came in contact with Europeans: > > As you see, their first reaction was to define them as being white, which carried on over time. > > As for your second request for a cite, I didn’t claim what you said I claimed, so there’s no point. No sequitur and a strawman. Please quit with the claim that I am suggesting that this will solve implicit bias. I am not going to bite. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/125 "2017-01-28T04:11:12Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > No sequitur and a strawman. > > Please quit with the claim that I am suggesting that this will solve implicit bias. > > I am not going to bite. :dubious: Where did I say what? ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/126 "2017-01-28T09:50:54Z")
It is not of any use, he wants to preach his strange view, and replies only with the assertions of falacies (incorrect ones which is a bit amusing itself). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807/127 "2017-01-28T19:45:43Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Nirvana fallacy,. The original premises is not that this will solve the problem of racism. > > There will always be explicit racism,. **The goal is to reduce the power of one of the primary tools while also hopefully reduceing the frequency that those with implicit bias follow the true racist causes.** Please describe, in two hundred words or fewer, an example of what the same event/interaction looks like both before and after the “goal” is achieved. TIA 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abolish-the-white-race-by-any-means-necessary/777807.md?page=6)