# Aborting gay fetuses **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 20, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662 "2009-02-20T02:21:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/41 "2009-02-20T16:05:59Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > So do you support gay & lesbian adoption? Yes if the baby is somehow determines to have homosexual tendencies and the biological parents want to adopt him/her out I think that should be allowed. [QUOTE=Anne Neville] We all know, of course, that no man in human history has ever gotten a woman pregnant and then not wanted the baby. [/QUOTE] Abandoning a child at any stage is very destructive, no matter what gender a parent is, but at least that child has been acknowledged to have existed and not cut off and discarded as a piece of trash ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/42 "2009-02-20T16:07:21Z")
Whoa! We will be able to selectively abort homosexual fetuses?! Happy days…soon homosexuals will no longer exist and the world can enter a period of peace and prosperity! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/43 "2009-02-20T16:08:04Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > If abortion is so devasting to women, why do some of them have more than one of them? For the same reason they have the first one, they believe their head which overrides their heart. They hide their heart from themselves to stop the pain. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/44 "2009-02-20T16:16:34Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes if the baby is somehow determines to have homosexual tendencies and the biological parents want to adopt him/her out I think that should be allowed. Well, that’s very generous of you, but the question was whether pro-lifers would support allowing the baby to be adopted BY gay people. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/45 "2009-02-20T16:17:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For the same reason they have the first one, they believe their head which overrides their heart. They hide their heart from themselves to stop the pain. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/46 "2009-02-20T16:20:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For the same reason they have the first one, they believe their head which overrides their heart. They hide their heart from themselves to stop the pain. Wait, you can stop pain by hiding your heart? Where do you hide it? Under the bed? Is it really possible to hide anything from yourself? I mean, if you are the one that hides your own heart, don’t you kind of by definition know where it is? I assume Dr. Jarvik is all for this, right, since with your own heart under the bed you’re going to need an artificial one to keep you alive. This is a great advance in mental health, kanicbird. Think of all the people who are suffering from grief, depression, etc… All they have to do is hide their own heart and bingo! no more pain. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/47 "2009-02-20T16:20:55Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes if the baby is somehow determines to have homosexual tendencies and the biological parents want to adopt him/her out I think that should be allowed. Should straights be allowed to adopt gay babies? Should gays be allowed to adopt straight babies? The mind boggles > [@kanicbird](#): > > For the same reason they have the first one, they believe their head which overrides their heart. They hide their heart from themselves to stop the pain. More bad situations have occured when the heart overrides the head. Just ask anyone with an abusive partner or a stalker. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/48 "2009-02-20T16:27:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I think they would either simply deny the scientific evidence (if they can deny the earth is older than 6000 years, denying a gentic determination for sexual orientation woyuld be a snap), or they would shift gears to say that it’s a akin to a congentital disease or disorder like diabetes or autism and claim that it can be “treated” or “reversed.” Agree. Because if you can’t pray out the gay, it means God made a mistake. As others have mentioned, female fetuses are already aborted at a higher rate than male fetuses in some countries. Probably by people who shouldn’t be around little girls, just as they shouldn’t be around homosexual children. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/49 "2009-02-20T16:28:13Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > There was a movie that actually dealt with the issue of “would you abort a fetus you knew was going to be gay?” > [The Twilight of the Golds](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/) > Brendan Fraser’s in it and it’s quite a good movie. Came in here to mention that movie. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/50 "2009-02-20T16:34:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Well, that’s very generous of you, but the question was whether pro-lifers would support allowing the baby to be adopted BY gay people. That would be a decision between the bio-parents (or guardian) and the couple. In general terms I believe that both genders are needed and one can never substitute for another as they contribute different attributes to a child so a m-f couple would be in general preferable. Just going on a line of thought, a f-f couple might be the next in order of preference as one female may take on the full maternal role, which IMHO is critically important in early life. A single f may not have the time required to nurture a baby, though there is a greater possibility of the addition of a male in marriage for the father role later in life. A m-m couple would be the least preferable IMHO (of the 4 possibilities mentioned), as the father role, though very important for normal development, is not as critical as the maternal one at the early stages IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/51 "2009-02-20T16:36:53Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > More bad situations have occured when the heart overrides the head. Just ask anyone with an abusive partner or a stalker. That is not the heart, that is compensating for pain of the heart by inflicting it on others. You are confusing Love which is what the heart desires and power/lust which is a way of getting temporary relief from that pain. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/52 "2009-02-20T16:38:57Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Just going on a line of thought, a f-f couple might be the next in order of preference as one female may take on the full maternal role, which IMHO is critically important in early life. Wouldn’t a polygamous grouping be overall the best though? That way LOTS of children can get the critically important maternal role early on, while the male can then wait until they are old enough to play catch with, or teach how to smoke, or something. Maybe 6 or so wives to the husband would work best. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/53 "2009-02-20T16:42:25Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Wouldn’t a polygamous grouping be overall the best though? That way LOTS of children can get the critically important maternal role early on, while the male can then wait until they are old enough to play catch with, or teach how to smoke, or something. > > Maybe 6 or so wives to the husband would work best. I didn’t see that as a possible answer on the multiple choice question I was asked. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/54 "2009-02-20T18:29:34Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > There was a movie that actually dealt with the issue of “would you abort a fetus you knew was going to be gay?” > [The Twilight of the Golds](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/) > Brendan Fraser’s in it and it’s quite a good movie. I thought it was a good _idea_ for a movie, myself, but it wasn’t nearly brave enough. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/55 "2009-02-20T18:45:05Z")
> [@Sodalite](#): > > This is a very interesting question. It creates something I call a hypocrisy paradox (in my own big noggin). The people most inclined to get rid of a fetus for being gay are also likely to be pro-lifers. I’d be curious to see how many of their heads would explode. It’d be awesome! To respond to the OP, I don’t believe it would be a hate crime because we don’t abort people..we abort embryos and fetuses. Many people will abort simply because it carries the gay gene, but many won’t care. At any rate, the hate crimes won’t start until the cells reach personhood. ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/56 "2009-02-20T18:57:07Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I didn’t see that as a possible answer on the multiple choice question I was asked. Consider the question expanded. What’s your view? ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/57 "2009-02-20T19:43:57Z")
> [@3cushion](#): > > Corollary question: does the woman’s right to choose because it is her body include prostitution and drug use? > > 3 cushion Nope, that would be a ‘person’s right’, not a ‘woman’s right’. Unless you are suggesting that some person or group has seriously suggested that only women should be allowed to prostitute themselves or use drugs. In which case, Cite? Also, you may not be aware that the phrase ‘a woman’s right to choose’ is nowadays used more or less exclusively to mean an individual right to choices regarding reproduction/reproductive health, including abortion. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/58 "2009-02-20T19:51:48Z")
Since I dont believe the fetus should have any rights, then I have no problems with people aborting gay fetuses. I always tell myself that whatever rights or freedoms I espouse, be prepared to have it backfire. I will not renounce my stand simply because suddenly a perfectly reasonable application of my beliefs results in a conclusion that is undesirable. All women should have the option of abortion, period. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/59 "2009-02-20T19:52:14Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Also, you may not be aware that the phrase ‘a woman’s right to choose’ is nowadays used more or less exclusively to mean an individual right to choices regarding reproduction/reproductive health, including abortion. Well, the term can only _possibly_ make sense when dealing with a scenario where a man and a woman together are both involved with the decision - it doesn’t mean “women have an individual right that men in an equivalent situation don’t have”, it means “in this decision where both a man and woman might reasonably have a say, the man’s potential right is dismissed.” ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/60 "2009-02-20T19:54:25Z")
> [@PaulParkhead](#): > > Consider the question expanded. What’s your view? Not ideal but a poly-marriage seems like it would have all the needed elements, ideally one woman would take the maternal role, one man the paternal and the others would act as extended family. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662.md?page=4)