# Aborting gay fetuses **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 20, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662 "2009-02-20T02:21:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/161 "2009-02-24T13:12:24Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > Only two of the five showed a _lying spirit._ One in II Chron’ 18:22 and the other in I Kings 22:23 where both basically say the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of thy prophets. 400 holy prophets it reads, in which they lie to entice Ahab to his death. Look at the other surrounding scriptures too. They are basically telling the same story, and God is taking responsibility for the prophets lying but does it through them in these two instances. In your eyes, does that absolve God of any wrongdoing here? > > In II Thessalonians 2:11 God also takes responsibility by saying: _And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:_ God will allow us to go on in our error, this is not the same as God lying. God tells us how old the earth is, we don’t believe Him, so He lets us be deluded with things like radio carbon dating, etc. If we don’t take His word for it what is He suppose to do, He already said that you can’t figure these things out for yourselves, so He can’t lie on that either. > [@](#): > > In Jeremiah 4:10_Ah Lord God! Surely thou hast greatly deceived this people and Jeruslaem._ And is 20:7 _O LORD, thou has deceived me, and I was deceived;_ Just as above, this has happened to me. When we don’t follow God’s instructions and we will be deceived. > [@](#): > > Ezekiel attributes all lies to prophets from God. _And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet,…_—Ezekiel 14:9 Is your God a liar, or the prophets? From memory those were false prophets, as such the prophets were deceived into thinking God was talking to them, when He was not. God gives us the way, tells us it’s the only way, tells us if we step out of the way we will be deceived. People do and are deceived, God did not lie. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/162 "2009-02-24T13:17:05Z")
So by the standards of **kanicbird** , Michelle Landers, who gave her newborn daughter up for adoption to the couple who later killed her, suffered less than a woman who has an abortion? That statement is a gross insult and inhumanely insensitive to any mother who has chosen adoption over abortion only to have her child abused and murdered by the adoptive parents. “It’s better for you to hand your child over to _murderers_ than to have an abortion.” Raise your hand if you agree with that statement. If **kanicbird** were to encounter a woman who gave her child to a couple who later tortured, sexually abused, killed and ate the child, the response might be “Well, good thing you didn’t have an aborftion.” ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/163 "2009-02-24T13:36:20Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > You can v & v disagree, but **Malacandra** stated it very well Uh… what did she state very well? She said one state “might” count for more? You just contradicted her position below. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Being unloved and unwanted in the land of the living is a horrible tragedy that IMHO should not be allowed, being unloved and unwanted in the abode of the dead is at least no better. I hate both. I didn’t realize I was required to believe in the afterlife to participate in this thread. I don’t. And unless you have at a minimum anecdotal evidence from beyond the grave, your assertion that someone who is dead can feel unloved and unwanted is fantastical and unsupported and has NO bearing on her request for me to show my working. > [@kanicbird](#): > > I personally feel that the number of unwanted and unloved people in society is directly related to the number of people cut off from humanity via abortion - since abortion actually cuts them off from humanity they are never recognized as human (what we sow we will reap - a unchangeable law of God, and expressed in other religions as karma, etc.). From that we get children who are not recognized as human, unloved, thrown away. > > Seeing these unloved, unwanted children fosters guilt in those who have abortions because that is what they have done. Wait. If someone is alive, unwanted and unloved, it’s because someone else had an abortion? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/164 "2009-02-24T13:48:55Z")
Do you know how many older children are “alive, unwanted and unloved” in foster care, while prospective adoptive parents are hoping a pregnant woman will chose adoption over abortion because they only want a _newborn_? ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/165 "2009-02-24T14:18:44Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Do you know how many older children are “alive, unwanted and unloved” in foster care, while prospective adoptive parents are hoping a pregnant woman will chose adoption over abortion because they only want a _newborn_? Oooh… Me! Pick me! ☹ I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread. As to the issue of abortion based on religious antipathy viz. alternate lifestyles… couldn’t we look for the substance abuse genetic marker first? And get squicky about sexual assignation after we solve _that_ nasty little social issue? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/166 "2009-02-24T14:24:29Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Oooh… Me! Pick me! > ☹ > I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread. As to the issue of abortion based on religious antipathy viz. alternate lifestyles… couldn’t we look for the substance abuse genetic marker first? And get squicky about sexual assignation after we solve _that_ nasty little social issue? They are equally as damaging IMHO, do yo think every one who abuses drugs ends up homeless in the street? ---
**Author:** ![3cushion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/da6949/32.png) [@3cushion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3cushion)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/167 "2009-02-24T14:43:47Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread. As to the issue of abortion based on religious antipathy viz. alternate lifestyles… couldn’t we look for the substance abuse genetic marker first? And get squicky about sexual assignation after we solve _that_ nasty little social issue? Don’t get me started on “diseases” that are really behavior problems, like alcoholism and obesity and gambling. They’re not like cancer or diabetes or hemophilia. Calling them diseases just removes responsibility from the individual. While you may have some genetic or psychological reason for your \*susceptibility \*to these problems, it is still a matter of behavior. Regardless of any rhetoric to the contrary, it is a matter of choice. No one is forcing you to take that drink. No one is forcing you to eat those fries. No one is forcing you bet your house and your next three years’ salary that the Vikings will win a Super Bowl before the end of the world. When I started this thread I was merely looking for some rationale regarding what may or may not become an issue. There have been many posters who provided just that. I never meant for it to become a Bible study class. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/168 "2009-02-24T14:45:15Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > I didn’t realize I was required to believe in the afterlife to participate in this thread. We did this one before, there is what you believe, what is actual, what is scientific. and are 3 separate things. > [@](#): > > I don’t. And unless you have at a minimum anecdotal evidence from beyond the grave, your assertion that someone who is dead can feel unloved and unwanted is fantastical and unsupported and has NO bearing on her request for me to show my working. Actually I do have ‘minimal anecdotal evidence’ that the Lord has provided to me, but as the Lord states: [QUOTE= Luke 16:31] "He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ " [/QUOTE] In light of that what would be the point of that evidence to you, but I did put it in at the bottom. > [@](#): > > Wait. If someone is alive, unwanted and unloved, it’s because someone else had an abortion? > 😕 What you sow you will reap, we are a pro choice society, the choice is to dispose of children like garbage, to pretend they are not human, cut them off from humanity, how can we not expect children who grow up treated like garbage. OK here is your minimal anecdotal evidence: I was a unloved child that you spoke of, though people were around me I could not ‘sense’ them, I was incapable of feeling Love, and felt like I grew up in a Plexiglas cage, isolated, unable to connect to people. It was a extremely lonely and miserable existence. Then I sought out the Lord Jesus. By what I would call divine revelation it was revealed that I lived the life of a aborted child, and this was due to the ‘reap what you sow’ as I stated. I lived my life with fetal rights, meaning people normally did not acknowledge my existence, they could hurt me intensely (and did) they were incapable of caring about how much pain I was in. If I was useful to them they would use me, when that was over they would dispose of me, if I was hurting or requesing help they would ignore me. Jesus lead me to a person who had a abortion. In many ways she raised me as her child, healing us both in the process, and allowing me to start feeling Love for the first time in my life and feel much more connected and accepted in the human family. ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/169 "2009-02-24T14:55:09Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > They are equally as damaging IMHO, do yo think every one who abuses drugs ends up homeless in the street? Wait… what? You think that substance abuse is as damaging as homosexuality? To WHOM? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/170 "2009-02-24T15:04:43Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Wait… what? You think that substance abuse is as damaging as homosexuality? > > To WHOM? > 😕 Yes to the people involved, to the families destroyed, all sin leads to death and destruction. ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/171 "2009-02-24T15:07:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > We did this one before, there is what you believe, what is actual, what is scientific. and are 3 separate things. And if an afterlife where it is possible to attest to emotional states is **actual** then there will be anecdotal evidence thereof. > [@kanicbird](#): > > Actually I do have ‘minimal anecdotal evidence’ that the Lord has provided to me, but as the Lord states: > > In light of that what would be the point of that evidence to you, but I did put it in at the bottom. I am not asking for evidence of your unwantedness or unlovedness while alive. See above. > [@kanicbird](#): > > What you sow you will reap, we are a pro choice society, the choice is to dispose of children like garbage, to pretend they are not human, cut them off from humanity, how can we not expect children who grow up treated like garbage. It looks to me like you are saying that “pro choice” means “pro abortion.” It’s a spurious and insulting definition, but I’ll go with it. So given that someone has made a choice to give birth, doesn’t that make them… “pro life?” And wouldn’t that make the children who’ve been birthed and feel unloved and unwanted the hapless victims of… “pro life?” > [@kanicbird](#): > > OK here is your minimal anecdotal evidence: > > I was a unloved child that you spoke of, though people were around me I could not ‘sense’ them, I was incapable of feeling Love, and felt like I grew up in a Plexiglas cage, isolated, unable to connect to people. It was a extremely lonely and miserable existence. Then I sought out the Lord Jesus. By what I would call divine revelation it was revealed that I lived the life of a aborted child, and this was due to the ‘reap what you sow’ as I stated. I lived my life with fetal rights, meaning people normally did not acknowledge my existence, they could hurt me intensely (and did) they were incapable of caring about how much pain I was in. If I was useful to them they would use me, when that was over they would dispose of me, if I was hurting or requesing help they would ignore me. > > Jesus lead me to a person who had a abortion. In many ways she raised me as her child, healing us both in the process, and allowing me to start feeling Love for the first time in my life and feel much more connected and accepted in the human family. You were living as an aborted child because you were reaping what you had sown? Ya know what. Never mind. You win. ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/172 "2009-02-24T15:18:10Z")
> [@3cushion](#): > > Don’t get me started on “diseases” that are really behavior problems, like alcoholism and obesity and gambling. They’re not like cancer or diabetes or hemophilia. Calling them diseases just removes responsibility from the individual. While you may have some genetic or psychological reason for your \*susceptibility \*to these problems, it is still a matter of behavior. Regardless of any rhetoric to the contrary, it is a matter of choice. No one is forcing you to take that drink. No one is forcing you to eat those fries. No one is forcing you bet your house and your next three years’ salary that the Vikings will win a Super Bowl before the end of the world. > > When I started this thread I was merely looking for some rationale regarding what may or may not become an issue. There have been many posters who provided just that. I never meant for it to become a Bible study class. Fair enough. I apologize for associating the content with the intent. Pretty lame on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/173 "2009-02-24T15:22:18Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Uh… what did she state very well? She said one state “might” count for more? You just contradicted her position below. He, him, his. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/174 "2009-02-24T15:38:57Z")
> [@katannah](#): > > Oooh… Me! Pick me! > ☹ I sympathise - but I hope that you are not secretly thinking “I wish someone else could have been aborted, so that I could have been adopted” unless you are also thinking “Of course, it would have been only fair for me to have been aborted, so that someone else could have been adopted”. > [@katannah](#): > > I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread. As to the issue of abortion based on religious antipathy viz. alternate lifestyles… couldn’t we look for the substance abuse genetic marker first? And get squicky about sexual assignation after we solve _that_ nasty little social issue? You live and learn - until a few moments ago I thought that an assignation was a lovers’ meeting, but it does also have the meaning you intend. My ignorance fought! > [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > So by the standards of kanicbird, Michelle Landers, who gave her newborn daughter up for adoption to the couple who later killed her, suffered less than a woman who has an abortion? > > That statement is a gross insult and inhumanely insensitive to any mother who has chosen adoption over abortion only to have her child abused and murdered by the adoptive parents. “It’s better for you to hand your child over to murderers than to have an abortion.” Raise your hand if you agree with that statement. > > If kanicbird were to encounter a woman who gave her child to a couple who later tortured, sexually abused, killed and ate the child, the response might be “Well, good thing you didn’t have an aborftion.” You’re right that the statement is a gross insult, but you’re the one who’s constructing the extreme example. I rather think that **kanicbird** ’s answer would be along the lines of “I grieve with your grief, and so does God; but you did the best you could to let your child live, and you, I and He all know in our hearts where the blame really lies.” Sometimes you reach so far in your efforts to find fault with alternatives to abortion that, if the Universe really is round, you could tap yourself on the back of the head. Before I raise my hand to anything, tell me if you will raise yours to “It is better to abort your child than hand it over, on the off-chance that the adopters might be murderers”. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/175 "2009-02-24T15:50:03Z")
I’ve heard many an anti-abortionist say “Every woman regrets having an abortion and no woman regrets having a baby for adoption.” This is such a ridiculous statement. Abortion is not always regreted and adoption is not now and never has been a la-la land where everything goes right. But the anti-abortionists have to believe that rather than admit that one abortion might be good and one adoption might be horrible. And why are the people who scream “Every children needs a mother and a father” also saying “Single woman should be forced to give birth.” ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/176 "2009-02-24T16:06:35Z")
> [@razncain](#): > > Well, IMHO, along with a great deal of others scholarship that has researched this far more than me, here is my current understanding of all of it… I will address your points/counterpoints in another post. Soul vs. Spirit My take on it is the soul is the quality of humanity, the core being of who we are, while Spirit is the part from God that makes us alive in the world (of the living). My understanding is once we lose the spirit we enter Sheol which is the abode of the dead (which is NOT hell). I believe this is related to the hidden places in the earth (Ps 139:15) where we are first created and man must return (Gen 3:19) There are 4 verses where soul and spirit are used together. In Hebrews 4:12 it appears like they can be split apart: [QUOTE=Hebrews 4:12] For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. [/QUOTE] Here is also is used as a separate term: [QUOTE=1 Thessalonians 5:23] May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. [/QUOTE] 2 related gospel verses also indicate soul and spirit are separate if we take spirit as what is needed to be ‘alive’, as you seem to accept: > [@](#): > > Matthew 10:28 > Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. The body can be killed, which I believe you accept that is the spirit leaving, the soul can not be destroyed this way. The soul has to be destroyed in hell, not from death which the following shows it happens at a later time: [QUOTE= Luke 12:] 5"But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! [/QUOTE] From Ez 37: > [@](#): > > Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ Though the people are long dead they still can talk, so still ‘alive’ in death (most likely Sheol). Jonah 2 I believe shows that someone go down to Sheol, and remembered the trip (and came back): > [@](#): > > 6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down; > the earth beneath barred me in forever. > But you brought my life up from the pit, > O LORD my God. So it would indicate some consciousnesses in death. Also it shows that inside another body (in this case a fish, not a womb) is equivalent of being underground. Sheol being a place under the earth, > [@](#): > > Job 17:16 > “Will it go down with me to Sheol?Shall we together go down into the dust?” Going down into the dust is equated with Sheol, which also relates to the curse of Adam: (Gen 3:19b) > [@](#): > > until you return to the ground, > since from it you were taken; > for dust you are > and to dust you will return." and the curse on Satan: [QUOTE=Gen 3:14b] and you will eat dust all the days of your life. [/QUOTE] So these 2 (above) show man begins and ends in the same place (dust/Sheol), and Satan is there in that place also. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/177 "2009-02-24T16:14:43Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I’ve heard many an anti-abortionist say “Every woman regrets having an abortion and no woman regrets having a baby for adoption.” While I don’t know about the adoption statement, I do know that every woman regrets her abortion in her heart, though she may hide her heart from herself very well. Abortion is always regretted. > [@](#): > > And why are the people who scream “Every children needs a mother and a father” also saying “Single woman should be forced to give birth.” FWIW I am talking/helping a unwanted, thrown away child of 19, she may be pregnant, I suggested against abortion though unless things change radically she will be a single mom. ---
**Author:** ![katannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@katannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katannah)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/178 "2009-02-24T16:31:07Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I sympathise - but I hope that you are not secretly thinking “I wish someone else could have been aborted, so that I could have been adopted” unless you are also thinking “Of course, it would have been only fair for me to have been aborted, so that someone else could have been adopted”. Aw, crap. I’m sorry, sir (for the misplaced pronouns as well :smack: )… I didn’t mean to mislead. I’m not the product of foster care (I’m the product of an absentee alcoholic and a two time divorcee, but that’s another story 😃 ). I meant, I’m aware on a daily basis of the number of gorgeous, smart, lonely, needy children in foster care who will remain there until they are 18 because they are not cute, cuddly, unmolded infants. And no, I do not wish _anyone_ could have been aborted in order for one of these children to be adopted. Would I be willing to have been aborted in their stead? Absolutely. How would I have known? My statement is and always has been this: that an abortion is not the worst thing you can do to a human being, and that the pain of being unloved and unwanted is worse than never having been born. **Kanicbird** told me that “Being unloved and unwanted in the land of the living is a horrible tragedy that IMHO should not be allowed, being unloved and unwanted in the abode of the dead is at least no better. I hate both.” Since I don’t recognize an abode of the dead, I don’t recognize its hypothetical denizens feeling unloved and unwanted. Due to that incompatible difference, and my incredulous reaction to **Kanicbird’s** life as an aborted fetus, I don’t think I can contribute usefully to this tangent of the thread any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/179 "2009-02-24T17:20:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > While I don’t know about the adoption statement, I do know that every woman regrets her abortion in her heart, though she may hide her heart from herself very well. Abortion is always regretted. A woman with an ectopic pregnancy regrets having an abortion? It’s better to carry the person in your fallopian tubes and risk your life and your future fertility? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662/180 "2009-02-24T17:36:11Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > A woman with an ectopic pregnancy regrets having an abortion? It’s better to carry the person in your fallopian tubes and risk your life and your future fertility? If a person saves their life by killing their child does not the person morn for their child? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aborting-gay-fetuses/486662.md?page=10)