# Abortion and prayer for the unborn's well being **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 7, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520 "2015-07-07T22:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520/101 "2015-07-10T22:09:01Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > :eek: > > Catholics aren’t Christians! Catholics aren’t Christians! Catholics aren’t Christians! > > * * * > > Kanicbird, I will not continue to engage with you after this post. Yes, your definition of god and mine differ vastly. My definition of god is “a made up fairy tale to comfort us in the dark days when we looked to the sky and didn’t understand anything, and hopefully something we will leave behind in the future, or at least won’t affect public policy in any way”. So as you can see, we are not even close. > > I don’t believe in the sanctity of human life, nor in souls. I do believe that we are on this Earth to wonder, and to discover, and to find out things. We are your God: we are the paradox that hasn’t been able to solve itself. We are the Universe manifest; trying to figure ourselves out. Which means I cannot at all stomach any faith or abide any belief without knowing in my world. We must turn over every rock, look behind every curtain, and discover all that this vast world has to offer us. And in the end, we may not recognize ourselves anymore, just as primitive man might not recognize what we are now. > > Now, I do believe in a sort of karma. You say that me aborting a child and not praying for it means I have gotten some sort of karmic loss. I say frankly, that’s ridiculous. Me not having a child means I have had that much more money, wealth, love, and kindness, to distribute to other children. Me not having a child means I can be a great auntie. That I can give gifts to the children of my friends and bestow on them extra love. That is how I redress my “karmic balance”. > > - Anaamika, atheist Hindu I thank you for you post and OK with you decision, both with me and your unborn. To me you can never make it up by helping others, that is paying it off - does not karmically work. It is honoring the life of your unborn that, as I take it, is all that is required. It was never required of you to carry to term, it was your decision, but your post suggest pennants, trying to justify it by good deeds to offset the abortion. It was a decision given to you and no one is to question it. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520/102 "2015-07-10T22:26:49Z")
It’s a matter of perspective, I suppose. If you labor under a vengeful god with retribution in one hand and grace in the other, then your assessment makes sense. Alternatively, she could just be a rockin’ awesome & generous person by nature, despite her fair share of trials, and being unencumbered with offspring is free to remain so. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520/103 "2015-07-11T00:08:46Z")
Not as far as I know. I didn’t consider any “entity”. I considered it me getting a medical procedure done to end my unwanted pregnancy. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520/104 "2015-07-11T00:32:52Z")
I take it back, you haven’t co opted something from the Hindus at all! I was mistaken. You’ve made something up out of whole cloth entirely! It’s Kancid’s own special Karma! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520/105 "2015-07-11T02:57:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Fair enough. > Original: > Let me re-write it" > > This leads me to the conclusion that the pro choice movement has influenced many women (and men) to incur a karmic penalty by causing them to deny reality and their very beings to the point that they can not even consider another point of view, they are not incapable of it and state that it is not understandable (needed to protect themselves). This is an insanely patronizing and insulting statement. You’re basically saying that women MUST feel a certain way and that if they don’t, they must have been brainwashed. That’s not true. Don’t try to speak for women. Just don’t. Especially on this issue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-and-prayer-for-the-unborns-well-being/724520.md?page=5)