# Abortion Cams? WTF?!?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2001, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522 "2001-08-16T05:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2001, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/21 "2001-08-17T00:04:07Z")
Let’s find the damn thing, and all dance in front of it. In the nude. Then we can accuse the abortioncam folks of peddling porn. ---
**Author:** ![reprise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@reprise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/reprise)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/22 "2002-05-29T02:00:29Z")
I really, really try to stay out of abortion threads; and I really, really try to stay out of threads in which US people invoke the First Amendment, but for goodness sake aren’t at least some of the people entering this clinic minors (who should, by law be protected from their identities being “published”) and aren’t some attendees there for other purposes? If I visit the US and I happen to be walking past a clinic which offers TOP, can I not do anything about it if my picture appears in someone’s propaganda without my having signed a release? Remind me not to visit any strip joints, swingers clubs, sly grog shops, or gambling venues if I ever visit the US, if that’s the case… And they sued Oprah for damages when she said she wasn’t eating burgers. What odd laws you have. ---
**Author:** ![Slainte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Slainte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slainte)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/23 "2002-05-29T02:13:34Z")
[http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020528-41691488.htm](http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020528-41691488.htm) This should piss Horsley off 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/24 "2002-05-29T03:01:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Miskatonic \* > \*\*Let’s find the damn thing, and all dance in front of it. > > In the nude. > > Then we can accuse the abortioncam folks of peddling porn. \*\* Ooh, can I chase them around with a pink dildo too? Hey, everyone can bring their toys from home! Squirt KY at them. Let’s make this a Porn To Remember! Check your nightstands folks. ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/25 "2002-05-29T03:59:51Z")
…so, basically, if I go to a Planned Parenthood for a Lunelle shot or an exam, they can put my picture on the Internet, thus potentially informing my parents of the fact that I, an 18 year-old, am (was) sexually active? Fuck that. If there are regulations that allow for anonymity in an abortion clinic, there should also be something allowing for that anonymity outside the clinic. To me, it’s open and closed. Taking pictures of people expressly to humiliate them (possibly ruining their lives) isn’t what I would call freedom of speech. And, if they aren’t extremely careful with their wording, they could go up for slander/libel. I think. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/26 "2002-05-29T04:16:21Z")
It’s really simple. Just walk around those people taking pictures and take pictures of _them_. If they ask what you’re doing, answer, “We’re digitally altering your image to make it look like you’re having sex with a horse, and then we’re going to E-mail it around the Internet.” Or you can get big pieces of posterboard with “God hates voyeurs” written on it and hold it up in front of the cameras. ---
**Author:** ![Wildcatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@Wildcatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildcatz)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/27 "2002-05-29T05:11:17Z")
Having worked as a nurse in an abortion clinic, I can tell you first hand exactly how twisted these types are. I am a fairly (cough…cough;) ) opinionated person that does not have a problem with telling people when what they are doing is flat out wrong in my eyes. However, I only lasted in the clinic for just over 6 months. It did not bother me being the person to assist with the abortion or hold the patient’s hand. It did not bother me to bite my tongue when the few women that were known repeat customers returned. The fact that we could not answer a phone call that did not show up on caller ID did not bother me. I was even _gasp_ able to go home and look at myself in the mirror and not have any problem with what I saw. So, one might ask…‘Wildcatz, what was it that DID bother you?’ Funny you should ask that. Because I am more than happy to tell you. Pull up a chair. 1. It bothered me that on the days that we did procedures, we would be inundated with nasty, foul mouthed people calling in to tell us how we were all going to hell. Not just the workers in the office, mind you, but even those patients that were just coming in to have a free pregnancy test or a less expensive sonogram. Yep, that’s right, every singlefuckingone of us are going to hell. 2. It bothered me that there were a few very young patients that were there to have abortions because of rape or incest were shown horrible, awful pictures of what we would be doing to the fetus. These fucktards would show the young people pictures of a late term abortion. You can imagine what emotional state the patient was in to begin with, but to shove a picture like **that** into her face? Get a grip. 3. It bothered me that every so often (usually about every two to three weeks) we would get a bomb threat. This was in FL, we all remember the one doctor in Pensacola, FL that was gunned down in front of his clinic. We didn’t take these threats lightly. 4. It bothered me that most of the zealots that would picket and shout obscenities at the patients and staff had NO reasonable solution for the pregnancy. (yes, I asked them. no, they didn’t have any answers…other than give the baby up for adoption. When asked if they would take one of these unwanted children the average response was ‘I can’t, but there are plenty of childless couples out there.’) 5. Most importantly it bothered me when they started videotaping me, my car and my tags when I would get to the office and again when I would leave. _ **THAT** _ is what made me stop being willing to go into the office everyday. I _like_ living. I don’t want to stop because someone else decides that I am a bad enough person to kill. The fact is that abortion is an intensely personal decision that is not painless. It is not painless physically OR mentally. The final decision/act is between the woman (or couple) that makes that choice and whatever deity or nondeity she/they subscribe to. We all know this. Why make it harder for the patient or those of us that care enough to be there for the patient? When asswipes like this pull a garbage publicity stunt like this, it quite literally makes my blood boil and makes me almost, but not quite, want to return to working in a clinic. If for no other reason than to let the women know that some of us out there do care. Pardon me, I think I need to go vomit now… ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/28 "2002-05-29T07:22:37Z")
The abortion debate has become guerilla warfare, a most uncivil war. It is unfortunate, but there are those who are so intransigent and sincere in their views that they feel compelled to put all stops to halt the procedures, whether the procedures legal or not, in the name of saving babies. And there are sympathizers to the cause that have high positions, including those in the current administration. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/29 "2002-05-29T07:54:37Z")
Wildcatz, you are my hero. ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/30 "2002-05-29T10:04:48Z")
If I ever get old and terminally ill, I’m going to switch over to OB/GYN and work in a clinic performing abortions. I’m going to walk in and out of the clinic several times a day, completely unarmored and unguarded, and I’m going to anonymously e-mail the folks at the Nuremberg Files to make sure their information is accurate. I figure it would only be a matter of time before I would be shot, car bombed, whatever…if I’m going to go out, why not go out in a blaze of irony, shot dead by a pro-lifer? Killed because life is precious? We had a real nutcase of a state legislator around here in the early 90’s who used to videotape people going into the local adult video stores. That was long before the internet, so I’m not sure who exactly was supposed to be seeing the tapes… Dr. J ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/31 "2002-05-29T10:36:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DoctorJ \* > **…in a blaze of irony…** What an amazing phrase!! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/32 "2002-05-29T10:49:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DoctorJ \* > \*\*We had a real nutcase of a state legislator around here in the early 90’s who used to videotape people going into the local adult video stores. That was long before the internet, so I’m not sure who exactly was supposed to be seeing the tapes… > \*\* Maybe he got off on it? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/33 "2002-05-29T10:59:02Z")
I thought you’d be interested to read the text of an email that I have just sent to the feedback address on the Nuremberg Files site: > [@](#): > > **To: [abolishabortion@yahoo.com](mailto:abolishabortion@yahoo.com) > Subject: Abortion is ‘feeding satan?’ - please clarify** > > I stumbled across your website the other day and I am very concerned to discover that you are stating that Satan somehow feeds on unborn children; I am most distressed and concerned by this and I wonder if you could clarify your meaning for me. > > Before the happy birth of our two surviving children, my wife suffered two spontaneous miscarriages due to a condition known as ‘incompetent cervix’ - the miscarriages occurred at around twenty weeks, so she had to go through labour in both cases, delivering a perfectly formed but small and lifeless baby; We are Christians and we had been reassured that the souls of our two departed children were safe in the care of God, Your website appears to be implying that children that die in the womb become the property of Satan; I find this idea most distressing and unjust and it seems discordant with the idea of the all-loving God we have come to know, but perhaps I will have to accept it as God’s truth. > > Could you outline for me the theology supporting this conclusion; I also have a friend who lost a very young child due to Sudden Infant Death Syndrome; do you think such children have any chance of entering God’s Kingdom? > > Please respond so that I can accept the truth and move on. > > Thank you for your time. (The above is, BTW, completely true. I’ll post a copy of any response I recieve). ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/34 "2002-05-29T11:05:37Z")
Very sorry to hear about your losses, **Mangetout** , and all credit to you for contacting these freaks. Let’s hope you get a reply soon. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/35 "2002-05-29T11:07:28Z")
BTW I’m not _really_ in any doubt as to what my God is capable of doing, so I suppose there’s a little white lie in the message I sent. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/36 "2002-05-29T11:20:55Z")
I expect God would admire your message for its pursuit of truth 😉 ---
**Author:** ![airdisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@airdisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/airdisc)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/37 "2002-05-29T15:53:29Z")
All I have to say is, don’t think these people are typical pro-lifers. They aren’t, and they give pro-lifers a bad name. I would love to see this guy’s site shut down, and this guy have his ass kicked. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/38 "2002-05-29T16:12:13Z")
Don’t worry - I don’t regard these people as representative of pro-lifers any more than I regard them as representative of christians. They are abortion terrorists, in the same way that Al Qaeda are terrorists, and not representative in any way of muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/39 "2002-05-29T16:14:22Z")
Abortion cammer, meet baseball bat. ---
**Author:** ![grettle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@grettle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grettle)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522/40 "2002-05-29T16:14:41Z")
> [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## Originally posted by lawoot Actually, unfortunately, they do. If you are outdoors, in a public area, you have no right to privacy. the assumption is that if you are in a public place, then you are explicitly waiving those rights. See those obnoxious ‘Girls Gone Wild’ tapes as an example of this. > > IANAL > Not true. There are several lawsuits in court right now about girls being put on the covers of tape boxes and in the videos without their express written consent. If you are on video, photograph, or recorded verbally, to my knowledge you must give written permission if the person who owns the video, photograph, or casette tape of you is to use it for their own benefit. Does it make any difference wheather or not they are actually _making money_ off said pics? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-cams-wtf/76522.md?page=3)