# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2241 "2011-05-24T19:33:43Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > **Bryan Eckers** the name of the poster from years back with a weird thing about circumcision was **Jack Dean Tyler**. Ah, yes, my vocabulary was forever enriched when the phrase Tug-Ahoy came to my attention. But there was another poster I was thinking of as well, since banned, who started several threads about how his biological mother was Jewish, but he was adopted by a nonJewish couple, but he was himself Jewish by Jewish law and wasn’t it a crazy outrage how Jews could declare him to be a Jew against his will? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2242 "2011-05-24T19:35:55Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Let’s leave that as “some anti-abortionists”, in the absence of a recent cite. We’ve all, I hope, see the article “the only moral abortion is my abortion” a zillion times already. Yes. That’s the article that begins, “In the spring of 2000, I collected the following anecdotes directly from abortion doctors and other clinic staff …” I’m sure that **Lynn** would not try to foist that off as a cite, considering the article itself explicitly acknowledges that it’s a collection of anecdotes, culled from the very population with a strong financial motive to discredit pro-choice thinking. “Some” is a safe thing to say, of course. “Most” puts you in a different realm entirely, and the only studies cited in the article reveal figures far lower than “most,” even interpreting them generously. For example: > [@The Only Moral Abortion...](#): > > Although few studies have been made of this phenomenon, a study done in 1981 (1) found that 24% of women who had abortions considered the procedure morally wrong, and 7% of women who’d had abortions disagreed with the statement, “Any woman who wants an abortion should be permitted to obtain it legally.” A 1994/95 survey (2,3) of nearly 10,000 abortion patients showed 18% of women having abortions are born-again or Evangelical Christians. Many of these women are likely anti-choice. So even if we assume every single one of those women are “anti-choice,” we don’t get to MOST by a long shot. I therefore conclude that most pro-choice advocates are prone to making dishonest claims. [Cite.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13837398&postcount=2228) [sup]\*[/sup] - Not really, of course. Just making the point the same way Lynn did. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2243 "2011-05-24T19:38:22Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > It’s significant enough to cause more people to vote Republican than they otherwise would. Uh-huh… so if it’s an even more important issue than gay marriage, why didn’t John McCain run on a strong “ban abortion” platform? Or maybe he did and I just can’t remember it. In any case, it didn’t help him win. > [@](#): > > Because those laws get struck down via the courts. So the courts are the bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2244 "2011-05-24T19:52:16Z")
**Lynn** , I put out a couple of cites in response to a comment by **classylady**. Not sure if these were exactly what you were looking for, but they provide a break down of religious views on abortion. > [@overlyverbose](#): > > Interestingly, I know several very observant people, one of them a practicing Protestant pastor with a PhD in theology, who strongly support the right for women to choose. From what I can tell, the right of a woman to choose has little to do with religious affiliation unless you’re Evangelical or a Born-Again Christian. [Harris Poll](http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/Harris-Interactive-Poll-Research-New-Finds-Different-Religious-Groups-H-2005-10.pdf) > > I think this [poll](http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/poll010702.html) is more recent, though the formatting on my screen doesn’t allow me to see the date in much detail. > > What’s really interesting (but I guess shouldn’t be surprising) is that, according to this poll, it looks like people are more likely to let their party affiliation sway their thoughts on abortion rather than actual religion. It’s kind of a shame - if you believe that God’s opinion is more important than a person’s, you would think that that would inform people’s votes more than party lines. Instead, it seems like people treat pundits like Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2245 "2011-05-24T19:53:02Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > And now, by not even being grateful that someone has offered to pray for you, you show even further that you hate God. I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2246 "2011-05-24T19:53:52Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D God thinks you’re kind of a turd. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2247 "2011-05-24T19:55:11Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D I’ll just leave this here: > [@I anti-pit YOU, random stranger!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-anti-pit-you-random-stranger/582963/15): > > What a beautiful, positive post. There is way too much negativity in this world. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2248 "2011-05-24T20:15:42Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D It’s like you read up to the Book of Malachi, thought, “Well, I can extrapolate the rest,” and put the Bible back on the shelf. (Don’t worry, I don’t really think that. I doubt you’ve read the Bible or use the word “extrapolate” in day to day life. Just saying you should have focussed on those bits of the faith that involve shit like forgiveness and whatnot.) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2249 "2011-05-24T20:57:45Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I’ll just leave this here: Yeah, when I saw that I said aloud: “You’ve got to be fucking joking.” ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2250 "2011-05-24T21:02:11Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > What hogwash. I’d gladly leave abortion legal in cases of rape, incest, maternal health and severe fetal defects. So would the majority of pro-lifers. So who’s the one who can’t compromise? I’ve already explained this to you once. The fact that pro choice supporters allow the individual to choose yes abortion or no abortion, rather than making it illegal in most cases and only acceptable in a few, means they are already far ahead of the anti abortion crowd when it comes to gauging who compromises more. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2251 "2011-05-24T21:17:34Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I note you didn’t reply to the part where your ethos appears to be random and inconsistent. It seems to me that **classyladyhp** is no longer interested in (or capable of?) actually addressing the topic under discussion. She’s only here now to make snide remarks about other people’s posts and insult other posters because they dared to have an opinion different from her. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2252 "2011-05-24T21:29:40Z")
No longer? That suggests as some point, she _was_. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2253 "2011-05-24T21:32:47Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > No longer? That suggests as some point, she _was_. I had fun with her for a while, but I got bored quickly. Just spouts the same old insults. Boring. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2254 "2011-05-24T21:40:00Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > God thinks you’re kind of a turd. So you two are on speaking terms now:p ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2255 "2011-05-24T21:46:02Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D 1 John 4:20-21 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2256 "2011-05-24T21:46:08Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > It seems to me that **classyladyhp** is no longer interested in (or capable of?) actually addressing the topic under discussion. She’s only here now to make snide remarks about other people’s posts and insult other posters because they dared to have an opinion different from her. It’s OK. I forgive her. Matthew 18:21-22 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2257 "2011-05-24T21:49:07Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > So you two are on speaking terms now:p Yeah. He’s a good bean. He is really concerned about your personal hygiene though. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2258 "2011-05-24T22:16:58Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yeah. He’s a good bean. He is really concerned about your personal hygiene though. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2259 "2011-05-24T23:44:30Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > 😕 Seriously, omnipotence includes the sense of smell. And, unfortunately when combined with omnipresence, taste. I’m just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2260 "2011-05-25T01:26:05Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > IMO, that’s a threshold of proof requirement that virtually nobody meets when talking about their beliefs. We shouldn’t have to prove that the fetus is human. The burden of proof should be on those insisting that it isn’t. No, the burden of proof is on those who insist that it is a human. Look at it this way - if I point to a tree and tell you that it is a human, the burden of proof is on me, right? > [@](#): > > If we meet the “hypocrisy” requirements and in fact go beyond them when it comes to insisting that we as a society respect not only human life, but animal as well, then it seems to me that those that insistent the fetus isn’t human until it hits air are infact the ones that hold inconsistent views. I’m not sure how this follows? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=114)