# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2281 "2011-05-25T11:28:22Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Become human. That’s the difference. Just as an acorn isn’t an oak, a fetus isn’t a human. A book isn’t a human, a tree isn’t a human, a paper clip isn’t a human, a dog isn’t a human. Yes, genius, that is correct. HOWEVER, a fetus is a fucking human. If it is not a human what the fuck is it? You’re delusional or just really really stupid or both. Do you live in the land of fairies where unicorns and “becoming a human exist.” The fetus is created by 2 humans. The offspring of two humans can be nothing but a HUMAN:smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: This is the most ridiculous argument used by pro-abortionists I have ever see, ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2282 "2011-05-25T12:02:02Z")
We are all familiar with animal right activists right? If you abuse an animal you can be charged with animal cruelty. Why is it that an animal, which is clearly non-human has more rights than a fetus which is a human? Some pro-choicers says the fetus is a potential person. Why is it ok that an animal should have more rights than a human or a so-called “potential person?”. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2283 "2011-05-25T12:38:12Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I’d much rather you answer my question first, since I asked it first. Well, if I made an incorrect statement and attributed a position to you that you don’t actually hold, I’d prefer (and I would expect you would, too) to clear that up before moving on. Unless, you were planning on playing, “Gotcha” later on with my incorrect statement. So, was I wrong? Did you not say, or do you not believe, that abortion was murder? Answer that an we can move on. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2284 "2011-05-25T12:41:45Z")
Because there’s a gulf of difference between “potential” and “actual”, maybe? I ate an apple this morning. Did I eat a tree? No, I ate a _potential_ tree. That doesn’t mean I should be seen as some tree-eating weirdo. I also jacked off, killing millions of potential humans, all full of life and dreams and batshit opinions nobody else gives a crap about. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2285 "2011-05-25T12:46:56Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > No, I don’t assume that. Whenever human beings are involved there will always be exceptions to any rule you decide upon. > > That’s why I support the idea of family planning so that a woman has every resource both to prevent unwanted pregnancy and to detect it as early as possible. Well that’s good. I agree with that. But just so you know, when you say things like this: > [@AlienVessels](#): > > To take a tack from an earlier analogy, if you park grandma in your uterus and hook her up so she’s dependent on uterine life support, you don’t get to disconnect at will. it appears you are assuming she purposefully chose pregnancy through her actions. To a lot of people, that seems like punishing a woman for having sexual intercourse and that attitude is quite objectionable on so many levels. Just so you know. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2286 "2011-05-25T13:00:57Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > We are all familiar with animal right activists right? If you abuse an animal you can be charged with animal cruelty. Why is it that an animal, which is clearly non-human has more rights than a fetus which is a human? > Some pro-choicers says the fetus is a potential person. Why is it ok that an animal should have more rights than a human or a so-called “potential person?”. It’s against the law to abort an animals fetus? Who’s arguing for protecting the animal fetus? What law terms abortion as abuse of a fetus? Why not try comparing \*born \*living beings when looking for equity in the law? Then come back and show us how animals have more rights than people. By the way, did notice I’m still waiting for you to jump back into our discussion? You didn’t like the fact that I noted you weren’t capable of responding and I thought you’d want to prove me wrong. Just trying to give you ample opportunity to clarify your position. [For your review and discussion.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13818014&postcount=1710) ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2287 "2011-05-25T13:14:48Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > Because there’s a gulf of difference between “potential” and “actual”, maybe? > > I ate an apple this morning. Did I eat a tree? No, I ate a _potential_ tree. That doesn’t mean I should be seen as some tree-eating weirdo. > > I\*\* also jacked off, killing millions of potential humans, all full of life and dreams and batshit opinions nobody else gives a crap about\*\*. Thanks for the visual:rolleyes: We’ve been though this before. A sperm is not a potential human. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2288 "2011-05-25T13:18:55Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I love God. It’s YOU I hate:D Jesus is quoted as saying," How can you say you love the God you don’t see,but hate the neighbor you do see". The psalmist says" I say you are gods and sons of the most high" Jesus backed this up when accused of blasphemy. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2289 "2011-05-25T13:21:07Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the visual:rolleyes: > We’ve been though this before. A sperm is not a potential human. What about the apple, though? All the bits are there, you just need to leave it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2290 "2011-05-25T13:23:38Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the visual:rolleyes: > We’ve been though this before. A sperm is not a potential human. No, but according to you a fertilized ovum is a human. That means, then, that every mense of a sexually active female and every miscarriage must be investigated to determine if the death of the human is accidental or intentional. But we all know you’re not going to advocate that ridiculous position, meaning that you really don’t consider a fertilized ovum to actually be a human. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2291 "2011-05-25T13:24:25Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > A brain dead person can be removed from his ventilator. Are brain dead people human? > > Follow up question: Is a baby with no brain yet effectively brain dead? If the brain isn’t developed it is not yet a baby,The brain dead person is declared dead and could be recognized as a human body. One cannot look at a few cells and say it looks like a baby! In very early stages of a developing human it is difficult to tell if it is a human or, a fish or a tad pole! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2292 "2011-05-25T13:27:29Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > We make judgement calls about the likelihood that a person on life support will recover from the need for support. Sometimes we’re wrong even with a lot of evidence suggesting they won’t recover. > > With regard to the baby with no brain, it depends on just how much of the brain is missing. They may never have cognitive function, but they might have sensory capability. There have been babies born with out a brain but they didn’t live very long. /a very hard thing on the parents! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2293 "2011-05-25T13:35:52Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > A book isn’t a human, a tree isn’t a human, a paper clip isn’t a human, a dog isn’t a human. Yes, genius, that is correct. > HOWEVER, a fetus is a fucking human. If it is not a human what the fuck is it? > You’re delusional or just really really stupid or both. > Do you live in the land of fairies where unicorns and “becoming a human exist.” > The fetus is created by 2 humans. The offspring of two humans can be nothing but a HUMAN:smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: > This is the most ridiculous argument used by pro-abortionists I have ever see, It isn’t ‘a ’ human, it will become a human person after it develops into one. Just as an acorn’ will’ become a tree. It contains human life just as the sperm has human life, but in your argument it could be said,’ many human lives are lost with each ejaculation even if a conception takes place’. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2294 "2011-05-25T14:46:41Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the visual:rolleyes: > We’ve been though this before. A sperm is not a potential human. A fertilized egg is a POTENTIAL human, but is [not yet](http://i.imgur.com/WQyPl.jpg) a human. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2295 "2011-05-25T14:59:33Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > A book isn’t a human, a tree isn’t a human, a paper clip isn’t a human, a dog isn’t a human. Yes, genius, that is correct. I think you misunderstood his analogy- an acorn is a potential oak, as it has everything it needs to grow into an oak. You may disagree with the conclusion, but the analogy wasn’t so out of whack as your reply suggested. Now if you got that and you meant something utterly different than your reply suggested to me, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2296 "2011-05-25T15:00:33Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > A fertilized egg is a POTENTIAL human, but is [not yet](http://i.imgur.com/WQyPl.jpg) a human. Which is in line with Jewish law and teachings as well. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2297 "2011-05-25T15:10:09Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Jesus is quoted as saying," How can you say you love the God you don’t see,but hate the neighbor you do see". The psalmist says" I say you are gods and sons of the most high" Jesus backed this up when accused of blasphemy. Thanks for sharing that:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2298 "2011-05-25T15:10:59Z")
Funny, I don’t LOOK Jewish. For what it’s worth, I was raised mostly as a Protestant Christian, as was my mother. My father was raised as a Catholic, but although he believed in many of the things Catholics believe, he didn’t go to church except for things like weddings and funerals. After I was an adult, my mother converted to Catholicism. And I witnessed my parents getting married in the Catholic church. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2299 "2011-05-25T15:20:53Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Funny, I don’t LOOK Jewish. > > For what it’s worth, I was raised mostly as a Protestant Christian, as was my mother. My father was raised as a Catholic, but although he believed in many of the things Catholics believe, he didn’t go to church except for things like weddings and funerals. After I was an adult, my mother converted to Catholicism. And I witnessed my parents getting married in the Catholic church. Yes- but do you like bagels and cream cheese? Deli food? That’s the critical test, after all! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/2300 "2011-05-25T15:54:05Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > A book isn’t a human, a tree isn’t a human, a paper clip isn’t a human, a dog isn’t a human. Yes, genius, that is correct. > HOWEVER, a fetus is a fucking human. If it is not a human what the fuck is it? > You’re delusional or just really really stupid or both. > Do you live in the land of fairies where unicorns and “becoming a human exist.” > The fetus is created by 2 humans. The offspring of two humans can be nothing but a HUMAN:smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: > This is the most ridiculous argument used by pro-abortionists I have ever see, As I have asked three times before, and you have studiously refused to answer, if you view a fetus as fully human with full rights, why don’t you support treating abortion as premeditated murder with the same weight of the law? Life sentences or the death penalty for the mother and doctor (as the best comparison would be a contract killing); life sentences for the parents of the 14 year old who drive her to the clinic; life sentences for the charity workers who give the scared kid the number of a clinic? And why do you support exemptions for the mother’s health which don’t exist for murdering an adult? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=116)