# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/321 "2011-05-09T18:16:15Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > That is terrific! However, I find my defense of human life to be rather joyful. Posting on an internet forum and having an opinion is not exactly defense of human life. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/322 "2011-05-09T18:17:18Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > I’d like to thank a couple of the posters here for a) volunteering to escort women, and b) making me (and, likely, others) aware that such a volunteer position even exists. 2nded. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/323 "2011-05-09T18:21:52Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > Posting on an internet forum and having an opinion is not exactly defense of human life. YMMV Oh give me an fing break…I will continue to defend human life. Bullying does not work with me. I am not a kid anymore and this is not a playground. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/324 "2011-05-09T18:23:05Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > 2nded. So what are you doing here then. Go out an escort some baby killers to the nearest clinic. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/325 "2011-05-09T18:29:59Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Oh give me an fing break…I will continue to defend human life. Bullying does not work with me. I am not a kid anymore and this is not a playground. Bullying? That’s a joke right? You post on a public forum and someone posts an opinion you don’t like and they’re bullying you? That’s silly. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/326 "2011-05-09T18:33:02Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Oh give me an fing break…I will continue to defend human life. Bullying does not work with me. I am not a kid anymore and this is not a playground. You have not been bullied. You have stated your opinion, and called people names. Other people have stated their opinions, but I don’t believe that anyone’s called you names…yet. I don’t feel like reading the entire thread again. You have been treated exactly as you have treated others. If anything, people have been nicer to you (because you’re new) than you have to them. However, I do expect that you will get your very own Pit thread in a short time. That STILL won’t be bullying. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/327 "2011-05-09T18:34:40Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > So what are you doing here then. Go out an escort some baby killers to the nearest clinic. I’m so glad you didn’t say you were morally superior :rolleyes: It seems clear you have nothing to offer on this topic except your enjoyment of playing the victim that mean ole pro choice people are picking on. I’ve tried to engage you respectfully with an honest difference of opinion. Stay classy and keep calling people names. ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/328 "2011-05-09T18:37:18Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > It’s not necessary or helpful to 2nd guess why someone believes as they do. You don’t know and it doesn’t matter. It does matter when the person thinks an embryo/fetus is a person. It changes the debate entirely. There may be a legitimate debate on whether the person in the womb has more right to be born than the person carrying it. They would at least have some moral ground to stand on. (Although it’d still be a complex debate, IMO.) However, a belief that an embryo is a person is not based on reality. In this case, a woman’s right to her body has now been hijacked by people’s superstitions (unless you agree with Der Trihs’s argument that it’s simply misogyny). This, like the evolution ‘debate’, should be unacceptable. There should be no debate at all. Yet, it gets more and more traction as the anti-choice people become louder and louder and women’s rights are taken away one by one. At what point do we put our foot down and say that a certain belief system is harmful? How much longer do we have to worry about being ‘unhelpful’? And what is helpful? Again, it is absolutely necessary to understand where this kind of belief system comes from because for people who want to take away women’s (and men’s for that matter) rights, it’s a very harmful belief. If we know where it’s coming from, maybe we can address it properly. Personally, I don’t think this belief is sustainable without constant religious propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/329 "2011-05-09T18:37:49Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I have never picketed at an abortion clinic much less ever been to one or even know where any are located. Quit the MELODRAMA. This thread is about picketers at a Planned Parenthood clinic (which you should know, does much more than offer abortions), and how obnoxious they can be when they are nasty to the women entering, especially when the vast majority of them are availing themselves of other services. If you don’t want to talk about the ACTUAL DISCUSSION taking place, then you do have the option of refraining from posting. And incidentally, when you say to **cosmodan** , > [@](#): > > Go out an escort some baby killers to the nearest clinic. … do you think that you are being respectful of other people’s moral choices? Or are you stating that your own personal moral choice is the only correct one? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/330 "2011-05-09T18:49:39Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > _shrug_ Okay, so I said, “Abortion should be legal and no-questions-asked because that’s the only sane policy, but it still occupies a different moral position than other elective surgeries because of the potential conflict of interest regarding the dual status of a fetus (which is codified into law elsewhere, and rightly so, in such things as ‘stiffer penalties for assaulting a pregnant woman and damaging her fetus’) and the fact one party to the creation of a fetus is correctly (due to risk balance) not party to the decisions regarding it.” > > And you took off on a screed. Well done. Very likely to convince people you’re not crazy, and that your opinions have merit. > > That would be, in fact, what I said. > > It’s hardly “whining” any more than it was “whining” when abortion was illegal and you wanted it to be so. It’s a place where the right to decide is highly unbalanced for reasons of risk balance, but that doesn’t make “the best option” equivalent to “completely fair”. > > Nice strawman. I use condoms every time, and have since high school. > > You might want to have that knee checked, though. Yeah, apparently you’ve read EVERY discussion about the spurious ‘choice for men’ argument that certain men like to put forward, and because _you_ use condoms that means…what, exactly? That because you do so, you’re the example that other men emulate? Whatever, dude, go whine about screeds and shit and read a few more sites than this one and Maxim. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/331 "2011-05-09T18:51:14Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I’m so glad you didn’t say you were morally superior :rolleyes: > > It seems clear you have nothing to offer on this topic except your enjoyment of playing the victim that mean ole pro choice people are picking on. I’ve tried to engage you respectfully with an honest difference of opinion. Stay classy and keep calling people names. No you have not been respectful to me so I have no obligation to be respectful to you. You said you want to escort people to have their babies killed and I told you to go ahead. If that is not supporting choice I do not know what is. Go ahead and roll your eye as many times as you want. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/332 "2011-05-09T18:53:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This thread is about picketers at a Planned Parenthood clinic (which you should know, does much more than offer abortions), and how obnoxious they can be when they are nasty to the women entering, especially when the vast majority of them are availing themselves of other services. > > If you don’t want to talk about the ACTUAL DISCUSSION taking place, then you do have the option of refraining from posting. > > And incidentally, when you say to **cosmodan** , > … do you think that you are being respectful of other people’s moral choices? Or are you stating that your own personal moral choice is the only correct one? I am not the only one who has gone off topic on this thread ya know:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/333 "2011-05-09T18:54:12Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > You have not been bullied. You have stated your opinion, and called people names. Other people have stated their opinions, but I don’t believe that anyone’s called you names…yet. I don’t feel like reading the entire thread again. You have been treated exactly as you have treated others. If anything, people have been nicer to you (because you’re new) than you have to them. > > However, I do expect that you will get your very own Pit thread in a short time. That STILL won’t be bullying. I have called people names. Can you really say that with a staight face:confused: I love your threats too…very classy. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/334 "2011-05-09T18:56:05Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > No you have not been respectful to me so I have no obligation to be respectful to you. You said you want to escort people to have their babies killed and I told you to go ahead. If that is not supporting choice I do not know what is. Go ahead and roll your eye as many times as you want. Yeah, when you call people murderers, say they’re baby killers, and should just keep their legs closed, you’re not being respectful. You’re basically telling lies about people in the first two instances and being a judgmental shit in he last case—and a sexist one as well. And women can indeed be sexist against other women, which is what you’re doing by repeatedly implying that women who have abortions are sluts who could just avoid abortion if they weren’t sluts. So why after that kind of crap do you think you deserve any respect? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/335 "2011-05-09T18:58:15Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I have called people names. Can you really say that with a staight face:confused: I love your threats too…very classy. Are you using some definition of “classy” that we might not know of? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/336 "2011-05-09T18:59:23Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > You said you want to escort people to have their babies killed and I told you to go ahead. Cite?? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/337 "2011-05-09T19:06:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you using some definition of “classy” that we might not know of? I think her definition of “lady” is also a bit off… ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/338 "2011-05-09T19:07:12Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Yeah, when you call people murderers, say they’re baby killers, and should just keep their legs closed, you’re not being respectful. You’re basically telling lies about people in the first two instances and being a judgmental shit in he last case—and a sexist one as well. And women can indeed be sexist against other women, which is what you’re doing by repeatedly implying that women who have abortions are sluts who could just avoid abortion if they weren’t sluts. So why after that kind of crap do you think you deserve any respect? I never called anyone a slut. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/339 "2011-05-09T19:08:13Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I think her definition of “lady” is also a bit off… whatever:rolleyes: Attack the person instead of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/340 "2011-05-09T19:09:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you using some definition of “classy” that we might not know of? Stop being so czarcastic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=18)