# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/21 "2011-05-06T15:41:56Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > If what they are doing happens to convince at least one woman not to kill her innocent baby then it’s worth it. How do you know it was innocent? You can assume, sure, but I don’t like to assume anything. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/22 "2011-05-06T16:02:18Z")
Yeah, maybe that “baby” would have grown up to be the next Hitler, or Bin Laden, did you ever think of that? Or maybe, just maybe, that “baby” isn’t a baby, it’s just a non-sentient fetus slowly developing into a baby, living rent-free inside a fully sentient person’s body. If that person wants to get rid of that parasite, that’s her decision and I would walk her to the clinic myself. (I’m currently renting out my womb to a fetus myself, but I **chose** to have it there) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/23 "2011-05-06T16:03:54Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > If what they are doing happens to convince at least one woman not to kill her innocent baby then it’s worth it. if the goal is to prevent harm to babies/infants, they’re protesting at the wrong place. They should be expending their efforts at the homes of parents with recently delivered babies and infants, handing out pamphlets and filming. Hey, if it prevents one Andrea Yates-type tragedy, then it’s worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/24 "2011-05-06T16:25:34Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > At worst, I was grimaced-at by what appeared to be one of the aforementioned gentleman averse to the prospect of child support, who was hurrying his visibly-disconcerted “friend” into the building. I think it’s awesome that you took the time to get to know the personal situation of the folks who you were picketing. I mean, you knew that he did not want to pay child support, and this was the reason he was “hurrying” his friend inside. You must have had a long talk with them to be able to tell exactly what the situation was, right? I mean, you would not have just assumed all that, because that would make you a judgemental asshole who makes idiotic assumptions based on no facts at all. And I’m sure you’re not like that. ---
**Author:** ![Beniamino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@Beniamino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beniamino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/25 "2011-05-06T16:25:36Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > Yeah, maybe that “baby” would have grown up to be the next Hitler, or Bin Laden, did you ever think of that? Or maybe, just maybe, that “baby” isn’t a baby, it’s just a non-sentient fetus slowly developing into a baby, living rent-free inside a fully sentient person’s body. If that person wants to get rid of that parasite, that’s her decision and I would walk her to the clinic myself. > > (I’m currently renting out my womb to a fetus myself, but I **chose** to have it there) Seriously. Those little parasitic bastards _ **should** _ be paying rent – drains on society is what they are! I calculate rent over 9 months (pro-rated, if need be), at about $850 per month (good location, “cozy”, 1 BR). P.S. Happy Mother’s Day! ---
**Author:** ![Beniamino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@Beniamino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beniamino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/26 "2011-05-06T16:27:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think it’s awesome that you took the time to get to know the personal situation of the folks who you were picketing. I mean, you knew that he did not want to pay child support, and this was the reason he was “hurrying” his friend inside. > > You must have had a long talk with them to be able to tell exactly what the situation was, right? I mean, you would not have just assumed all that, because that would make you a judgemental asshole who makes idiotic assumptions based on no facts at all. > > And I’m sure you’re not like that. I don’t particularly care what the reason why somebody would be “escorting” someone into PP would be. Aiding and abetting the premeditated murder of an innocent has no moral justification. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/27 "2011-05-06T16:31:14Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I don’t particularly care what the reason why somebody would be “escorting” someone into PP would be. Aiding and abetting the premeditated murder of an innocent has no moral justification. I’d suggest then that you refrain from making shit up. Because a father “escorting” his daughter who has been raped into a clinic is also a possible scenario. I understand that you don’t give a shit about the actual people involved, but would rather worry about a group of cells, but in order to better support your cause, you might try to act a little less like a judgemental, unfeeling, asshole who loves to moralize. Thanks ever so much. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/28 "2011-05-06T16:32:04Z")
**Beniamino** , you’re aware that Planned Parenthood offers medical services other than abortion, right? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/29 "2011-05-06T16:32:53Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I don’t particularly care what the reason why somebody would be “escorting” someone into PP would be. Aiding and abetting the premeditated murder of an innocent has no moral justification. Your absolutism and assumptions are offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/30 "2011-05-06T16:34:18Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > Aiding and abetting the premeditated murder of an innocent has no moral justification. Unless you want to get one of those badass teardrop tattoos, in which case your hands are tied unless you want to look like a poser. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/31 "2011-05-06T16:35:12Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I don’t particularly care what the reason why somebody would be “escorting” someone into PP would be. Of course not, she’s just cattle to you. Something to be used for breeding, when she isn’t being tormented for entertainment. And you do realize that abortion isn’t even most of what Planned Parenthood does? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/32 "2011-05-06T16:38:09Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > **Beniamino** , you’re aware that Planned Parenthood offers medical services other than abortion, right? This post is intended to be a factual statement. ---
**Author:** ![Beniamino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@Beniamino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beniamino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/33 "2011-05-06T16:40:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’d suggest then that you refrain from making shit up. > > Because a father “escorting” his daughter who has been raped into a clinic is also a possible scenario. > > I understand that you don’t give a shit about the actual people involved, but would rather worry about a group of cells, but in order to better support your cause, you might try to act a little less like a judgemental, unfeeling, asshole who loves to moralize. > > Thanks ever so much. I was actually reminded of my experience by this post: > [@Laudenum](#): > > (A boyfriend who just persuaded his girlfriend that he cannot afford to pay child support is not going to react well to anyone trying to change her mind.😛 ) If you tell me that never happens, well, I suppose I’ll just have to take your word for it. But, as a family lawyer who handles child support cases routinely, it’s been my experience that it does. People can be heartbreakingly selfish and cruel. I understand that you don’t give a shit about the actual people murdered, but would rather worry about protecting people from the “inconvenience” of pregnancy, but in order to better support your cause, you might try to act a little less like a judgemental, unfeeling, asshole who loves to moralize. Thanks ever so much. > [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > **Beniamino** , you’re aware that Planned Parenthood offers medical services other than abortion, right? Yes. And they also offer abortion. If they did not, I would not protest. > [@vivalostwages](#): > > Your absolutism and assumptions are offensive. Your relativism and callous disregard for the value of human life are offensive. Now, where does that leave us? ---
**Author:** ![Beniamino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@Beniamino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beniamino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/34 "2011-05-06T16:42:11Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Of course not, she’s just cattle to you. Something to be used for breeding, when she isn’t being tormented for entertainment. What in the world are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/35 "2011-05-06T16:52:51Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > Yeah, maybe that “baby” would have grown up to be the next Hitler, or Bin Laden, did you ever think of that? Or maybe, just maybe, that “baby” isn’t a baby, it’s just a non-sentient fetus slowly developing into a baby, living rent-free inside a fully sentient person’s body. If that person wants to get rid of that parasite, that’s her decision and I would walk her to the clinic myself. > > (I’m currently renting out my womb to a fetus myself, but I **chose** to have it there) Or maybe that baby would have been the next Martin Luther King Jr. or mother Theresa… Calling it a parasite is simply done to make pro-abortionists feel better. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/36 "2011-05-06T16:53:59Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I don’t particularly care what the reason why somebody would be “escorting” someone into PP would be. Aiding and abetting the premeditated murder of an innocent has no moral justification. That’s about right. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/37 "2011-05-06T16:55:05Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > Seriously. Those little parasitic bastards _ **should** _ be paying rent – drains on society is what they are! I calculate rent over 9 months (pro-rated, if need be), at about $850 per month (good location, “cozy”, 1 BR). > > P.S. Happy Mother’s Day! Oh and those little “parasites” are living rent free though no fault of their own. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/38 "2011-05-06T16:55:52Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I understand that you don’t give a shit about the actual people murdered, but would rather worry about protecting people from the “inconvenience” of pregnancy, but in order to better support your cause, you might try to act a little less like a judgemental, unfeeling, asshole who loves to moralize. Everyone gives a shit about _actual people_ being murdered. Foetuses are not actual people yet. > [@classyladyhp](#): > > Or maybe that baby would have been the next Martin Luther King Jr. or mother Theresa… > Calling it a parasite is simply done to make pro-abortionists feel better. **Little Bird** does not speak for all of us, but calling pro-choice people “pro-abortionists” just makes you look stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/39 "2011-05-06T17:00:50Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I support what they are doing if all they do is picket outside the clinic. I don’t support the use of violence. If what they are doing happens to convince at least one woman not to kill her innocent baby then it’s worth it. And if they stop 100 teenage girls from getting birth control, and 10 of them get pregnant and then get an abortion, it’s still worth it, right? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/40 "2011-05-06T17:02:15Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > What in the world are you talking about? I’m pointing out the obvious fact that you are attempting to reduce women to the status of a breeding animal, a womb with legs. You are asserting that you, not they own their bodies and can choose what is done with them. You are asserting that they are subordinate to a blob of tissue, not even an animal. And my comment about tormenting them was of course referring to the fact that the anti-abortion movement is ultimately all about the torment and oppression of women. They don’t actually care about the fetus except as far as it can be used as a club to beat the woman down. They don’t care about “children”, they don’t care about actually stopping abortions; they consistently act in ways that will cause the maximum amount of suffering and harm to women, _not_ in ways that will actually stop abortions. It’s a hate movement, no better than the KKK. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=3)