# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/521 "2011-05-11T12:42:02Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Do you suggest that Kambuckta was suggesting that they not be _allowed_ to film public happenings? Because the only two options are complete illegality or not complaining at all, apparently. No. Obviously there are more options, but the OP’s point was unclear. Thus my question. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/522 "2011-05-11T12:45:13Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > How about a tumor and an embryo? One of the two will develop into a baby the other one never will. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/523 "2011-05-11T12:47:36Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > You’re about as classy as a piece of shit yourself. Fuck you. I’m judging you by your posts. You have only one post to judge me by. Go home, little girl. ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/524 "2011-05-11T12:49:38Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Grabbing at someone’s body and clothing repeatedly and against their will, aggressively thrusting hands toward someone’s face in a fashion that causes them to have to flinch or dodge to avoid being hit (and definitely makes them afraid for their personal safety), bumping into someone to impede their ability to safely walk, and even knocking them over. > > I’ve had more than a couple of women I’ve escorted who would’ve been knocked down had I or their companion not caught them, and two who were knocked down before anyone could catch them. One woman who used crutches due to a disability had a protester _grab her crutch away from her_ and refuse to return it until the woman listened to his “counsel.” That caused the woman to fall and when her partner tried to catch her, her shoulder was seriously injured. > > And I say that this behavior is “permitted” when done by the anti-abortion protesters because, despite local laws and a very specific federal law, I have witnessed these actions happening in full view of on duty, uniformed police officers (in four different jurisdictions) and the protesters have never once been so much as cautioned about any of it. > > In roughly 200 escorting/observing shifts, the only time I’ve _ever_ seen law enforcement say a word to a protester was when they crossed onto facility property and were at risk of arrest for trespassing. > > I did once see a client’s husband put up against a wall and threatened with arrest when he shoved an exceptionally aggressive 6’2" male protester away from his seriously ill, 5’1" wife, though. > > That was a good time, especially since that protester was known to all of us for his habit of _waving his cohorts away_ whenever he saw an especially petite or young client approaching. He _got off_ on jamming his huge body in the space and huge hands in the faces of tiny women. He _smiled_ when he saw small women turning the corner from the parking lot. This is beyond despicable behavior. Props to you, **tumbledown**. I wouldn’t be able to do what you’re doing. I’m also not surprised that these people get special consideration. Sorry to go all Der Trihs again but I still think that this is another example of how inappropriate and sometimes illegal behavior gets a pass because the people doing it are uber Christians. ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/525 "2011-05-11T12:52:28Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > One of the two will develop into a baby the other one never will. And what’s so special about that for anyone other than the family involved? Special enough to require government intervention on the woman’s right to her own body? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/526 "2011-05-11T13:03:09Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > I’m also not surprised that these people get special consideration. Is there evidence that this is _special_ consideration? That people with other causes don’t get away with similarly intrusive tactics at similar rates? Demonstrators for all kinds of causes have certainly been known to violate the letter of the law, as well as of course all kinds of courtesies. Some of this, no doubt, is or has been justifiable from a moral perspective. It also seems clear to me that legal enforcement in such matters is wildly variable–not that there’s an overall pattern of tolerance specifically for anti-abortion violators. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/527 "2011-05-11T13:04:26Z")
> [@Lorski](#): > > Fuck you. I’m judging you by your posts. You have only one post to judge me by. Go home, little girl. Hi sweetie pie. Thanks for the eloquent response. You are a piece of shit. Actually that’s an insult to the turd. Go and reread your post…I don’t think that was a svery mart thing to say to me. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/528 "2011-05-11T13:05:37Z")
> [@heatmiserfl](#): > > And what’s so special about that for anyone other than the family involved? Special enough to require government intervention on the woman’s right to her own body? You asked me what the difference was between the two and i replied. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/529 "2011-05-11T13:11:20Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Hi sweetie pie. Thanks for the eloquent response. You are a piece of shit. Actually that’s an insult to the turd. > Go and reread your post…I don’t think that was a svery mart thing to say to me. I said that you were proving your name wrong. Never called you a name. You responded by calling me a piece of shit. Nothing classy about that. Thus proving my point again. How was it not a “svery mart” thing to say? You just keep on proving me right. Now go fuck yourself. I’m done with you, you sniveling wanna-be morally superior god-pounding thick-headed idiot. There, now I stooped to your level and called you names. Happy now? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/530 "2011-05-11T13:24:45Z")
> [@Lorski](#): > > I said that you were proving your name wrong. Never called you a name. You responded by calling me a piece of shit. Nothing classy about that. Thus proving my point again. How was it not a “svery mart” thing to say? You just keep on proving me right. > > Now go fuck yourself. I’m done with you, you sniveling wanna-be morally superior god-pounding thick-headed idiot. > > There, now I stooped to your level and called you names. Happy now? :rolleyes: Wow. i wouldn’t want to meet someone like you in a dark alley. You are all kinds of freaky. I’m worried about your mental stability at this point. All that hate inside you can’t be very good for you. You might blow a gasket or something. I picture steam coming out of your ears right about now LOL Assuming you can read, which is up for debate at this point, go back and read the two vile, sickening posts you wrote and let me know if you think it was a smart thing to say to me. YOU ARROGANT CONDESCENDING HATEFUL BITCH. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/531 "2011-05-11T13:33:23Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Wow. i wouldn’t want to meet someone like you in a dark alley. You are all kinds of freaky. > I’m worried about your mental stability at this point. All that hate inside you can’t be very good for you. > You might blow a gasket or something. I picture steam coming out of your ears right about now LOL > Assuming you can read, which is up for debate at this point, go back and read the two vile, sickening posts you wrote and let me know if you think it was a smart thing to say to me. YOU ARROGANT CONDESCENDING HATEFUL BITCH. Why do you keep going on about “smart thing to say to me”? Am I supposed to be intimidated by you? Fat chance. You can’t even put together a good insult that doesn’t have curse words in it. . 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/532 "2011-05-11T13:34:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Fortunately for me, I sing in a choir and sit next to the police chief. I’ve only been hassled by a cop for getting in a protester’s face once. The apology from that badge the next time I saw him after the next choir practice was absolutely delicious. =P Sorry, my bad, I read this to mean the cop apologized for having to stop you from getting in the face of a ‘clinic attendee’. Clearly, I should read slower and not post so late at night. My apologies, on that front, entirely my error. * * * And clearly I should have included ‘within the law’ in my post about why choice is so clearly the correct solution. Unlike, stealing, euthanizing granny, and beating your wife, abortion is legal. Really, y’all couldn’t understand the difference? It’s got to be spelled out for you? And it’s equally clear to me that anti abortionists are all hot at not having their moral code enshrined in law. Period. They don’t care if they are not in the majority, they don’t care that it’s personal and individuals need to do what’s right for them, they don’t care that women will die without access to legal/safe abortions, they don’t care about harassing a women going to a clinic for removal of dead fetus, they don’t care that their presence at the clinic very likely keeps younger women from getting birth control advice, (which, y’now, could easily prevent abortions), they don’t care that not everyone wants to live according to their Christian code, they don’t care that their movement has actually killed doctors. They really only care about having it their way. Because they know best how everybody should live, whether they feel otherwise or not, has no bearing. They just want the say over everyone’s life because they are better people than the tyrannical majority and they know best. This thread has been helpful to me, I want to thank any one that contributed. I think I really learned something about what’s driving these people. And I don’t believe I’ll participate, on this topic again. I don’t think I need to, I finally get that there is no reasoning with these people, they truly are beyond reason. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/533 "2011-05-11T13:35:31Z")
> [@Lorski](#): > > Why do you keep going on about “smart thing to say to me”? Am I supposed to be intimidated by you? Fat chance. You can’t even put together a good insult. > 😃 😃 Obviously you’re too stupid to realize what I am saying about you not being smart in your responses to me. Oh well, you’ll find out in due time. Now go back downstairs to the basement. Or perhaps under your bridge. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/534 "2011-05-11T13:37:17Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > * * * > > And clearly I should have included ‘within the law’ in my post about why choice is so clearly the correct solution. Unlike, stealing, euthanizing granny, and beating your wife, abortion is legal. Really, y’all couldn’t understand the difference? It’s got to be spelled out for you? > > And it’s equally clear to me that anti abortionists are all hot at not having their moral code enshrined in law. Period. > > They don’t care if they are not in the majority, they don’t care that it’s personal and individuals need to do what’s right for them, they don’t care that women will die without access to legal/safe abortions, they don’t care about harassing a women going to a clinic for removal of dead fetus, they don’t care that their presence at the clinic very likely keeps younger women from getting birth control advice, (which, y’now, could easily prevent abortions), they don’t care that not everyone wants to live according to their Christian code, they don’t care that their movement has actually killed doctors. > > They really only care about having it their way. Because they know best how everybody should live, whether they feel otherwise or not, has no bearing. They just want the say over everyone’s life because they are better people than the tyrannical majority and they know best. > > This thread has been helpful to me, I want to thank any one that contributed. I think I really learned something about what’s driving these people. And I don’t believe I’ll participate, on this topic again. I don’t think I need to, I finally get that there is no reasoning with these people, they truly are beyond reason. Have to agree with you here. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/535 "2011-05-11T13:45:34Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Obviously you’re too stupid to realize what I am saying about you not being smart in your responses to me. Oh well, you’ll find out in due time. Now go back downstairs to the basement. Or perhaps under your bridge. Sure thing, if you climb back up on your ivory tower. 😃 😛 😃 Wow getting insulted by someone who’s “classy”\* AND smarter than everyone else!\* 😃🆒 \*sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/536 "2011-05-11T14:00:54Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > it should be legal to sell drugs. How about prostitution that should be legal as well _Finally_, we’re making some headway! ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/537 "2011-05-11T14:05:43Z")
> [@Lorski](#): > > Sure thing, if you climb back up on your ivory tower. Pedestal you mean, there is no way this woman went to college. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/538 "2011-05-11T14:06:40Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I don’t think that was a **s** very \*\*mart \*\*thing to say to me. What I want to know is, how did that s migrate over five spaces to the left? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/539 "2011-05-11T14:08:50Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Sorry, my bad, I read this to mean the cop apologized for having to stop you from getting in the face of a ‘clinic attendee’. Clearly, I should read slower and not post so late at night. > > My apologies, on that front, entirely my error. No worries. Admittedly, the worst part of the situation for me was essentially having it proven by the whole incident that, even if there WASN’T institutional bias towards the protesters on the part of the cops, there was some level of institutional indifference (until I invoked networking) to the idea that the cops were treating the protesters and escort interactions in a very one-sided way. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/540 "2011-05-11T14:12:23Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > What I want to know is, how did that s migrate over five spaces to the left? Court order. It’s not allowed within five paces of the “mart”, but still wants to make its presence known. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=28)