# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/621 "2011-05-11T18:16:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I > > But I’d like a cite that gets into the same meaning – a claim that there are no possible problems, ever, with adoption. Hmmm… It seems that this may be difficult, as most pro-life literature will probably simply report all the good things about adoption, without necessarily directly saying “there are no possible problems, ever, with adoption”. It’s more about what they’re _not_ saying, if you see what I mean. An alternative solution to this would be to find a cite from a pro-life group that says, in effect, that adoption may in some cases not be an ideal solution. This would certainly prove your point that these groups don’t think that adoption is all rainbows and wonderfulness. ETA: In any case, cites would probably be hard to google, given the subject matter! ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/622 "2011-05-11T18:16:38Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Nope:rolleyes: Why the roll eyes? I asked you a question based on your own words. It’s exactly the kind of thing I see fairly often. People say they believe something but later reveal it’s not a deep conviction. An embryo is not a baby, that’s just a fact. People can indeed choose to deny scientific reality with their feelings called beliefs, but it doesn’t tend to be helpful. I hope you’re reading Bricker’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/623 "2011-05-11T18:22:43Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I guess you intend to keep harrassing me right? Harassing you? That’s ridiculous. You’re on a public message board and in the pit to boot. Your language indicates you like seeing yourself as the victim. You’re not one. You’re a volunteer. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/624 "2011-05-11T18:25:51Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I don’t like resonding to less ignorant people. Gee, I hope posters don’t take advantage of this little slip up. 😃 Sigmund, what say you? ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/625 "2011-05-11T18:26:04Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I hope you’re reading Bricker’s posts. Only if they show up in her vanity search, I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/626 "2011-05-11T18:30:01Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Are you serious? Someone sent me a hateful DM and called me the most vile and hideous names yet I must protect their privacy? BULLSHIT. > I guess all the people with stalkers should just keep the letters sent form their stalkers to themselves then. Hey, I have a question. What, exactly, does ‘DM’ stand for? ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/627 "2011-05-11T18:32:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’d have said that the federal constitution is silent on the issue – I would have left abortion in the hands of the states, because to my mind, it’s manifestly not a federal constitutional issue. > > However, in a future case, if Congress had passed a law mandating that no state law could interfere with abortion in the first trimester – bascially, if Congress had codified the Roe decision as law – I’d have upheld it under Congress’ Commerce Clause power (as defined in Wickard v. Filburn). > > That latter case, by the way, would be the expression of the people’s will, via their elected representatives. Hey, thanks, by the way. For not ignoring my question, for answering thoughtfully, and for keeping a couple of facts around during this discussion. Also I want to go on record as saying that your pro-life cause, if they operate as you describe (and I have no reason to doubt you), is about the most admirable pro-life charity I’ve heard described. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/628 "2011-05-11T18:33:06Z")
**classyladyhp** , what you could have done was: 1. forwarded the PM to a moderator. 2. aired your grievance in this thread without bringing up a third party’s private business in public. 3)got into it with **dropzone** via PM 4)ignored the PM and got on with your day All of those would have been better options. As it is you just look needlessly cruel and vindictive. Oh, and not at all classy. I’m sure that was not your intention, bless your heart. The classy thing would be to apologise to **dropzone** and ask the mods to delete any posts revealing things which should have stayed private. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/629 "2011-05-11T18:33:14Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Hey, I have a question. What, exactly, does ‘DM’ stand for? Direct Message. Same thing as private message. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/630 "2011-05-11T18:34:28Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Hey, I have a question. What, exactly, does ‘DM’ stand for? Was wondering that myself. Damn message? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/631 "2011-05-11T18:38:00Z")
Dungeon Master. This is just the type of message board that would support that satanic game anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/632 "2011-05-11T18:42:23Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > **classyladyhp** , what you could have done was: > > 1. forwarded the PM to a moderator. > 2. aired your grievance in this thread without bringing up a third party’s private business in public. > 3)got into it with **dropzone** via PM > 4)ignored the PM and got on with your day > > All of those would have been better options. > > As it is you just look needlessly cruel and vindictive. > > Oh, and not at all classy. > > I’m sure that was not your intention, bless your heart. > > The classy thing would be to apologise to **dropzone** and ask the mods to delete any posts revealing things which should have stayed private. She will ignore this post, because it is reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/633 "2011-05-11T18:42:54Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I have yet to hear a protester say one bad word about adoption. Even when it leads to the death of the child. There’s no reason to say any bad words about adoption. Adoption doesn’t cause the death of children. That would be like a gay parent causing the death of a child, and blaming the fact that it was a gay parent. “SEE? SOMETIMES ALLOWING GAYS TO BE PARENTS DOESN’T WORK OUT SO WELL. HOW CAN WE ACCEPT THIS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO STRAIGHT PARENTS???” Sometimes parents kill children, biological children, adopted children, all kinds of children. Go blame child killers, and stop blaming adoption, for fucks sake. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/634 "2011-05-11T18:45:11Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This is an anecdotal refutation. You don’t identify why this was such a terrible choice and why abortion would have been better, nor do you demonstrate why your story should be accorded statistically significant weight. I can produce many stories about adoptions that worked very well. Why is their experience of less weight than yours? I don’t see how anyone one can establish that adoption is consistently the better option concerning this issue. It’s simply and opinion, and you seem to be backing it up with others, with real life practical action. Bravo. That still doesn’t make it anything like a fact. It’s great to have that as an option, especially for woman who are dealing with a difficult and potentially traumatic decision. But for others, abortion may still be the better choice for them. ---
**Author:** ![Lorski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Lorski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorski)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/635 "2011-05-11T18:50:33Z")
Wasn’t this thread supposed to be about people picketing abortion clinics, not adoption versus abortion? No one is going to “win” and no one is going to change anyone’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/636 "2011-05-11T18:51:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The incoherency of whether fetuses feel pain is resolved by medical study. Similarly, the incoherency of a legal opinion is a matter of legal analysis. > > Roe is grounded in successively tenuous interpretations… the state can’t substantially interfere in abortion during the first twelve weeks of pregnancy – that’s the area of pregnancy that’s constitutionally protected! How do we know? Because abortion is a private medical matter? How do we know? Because the constitution protects the right to privacy! How do we know? Because we can see some other things in the constitution that also implicate privacy, like the freedom from search and seizure and the freedom to not incriminate yourself. > > Which ones actually appear in the Constitution? Only the last. Turns out that’s their job. It is inevitable and necessary that we as a society interpret the constitution. I guess we have the ability to rather arbitrarily decide that conception = baby with rights, but that’s also not in the constitution, or reflected in the standards of human history. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/637 "2011-05-11T18:53:33Z")
It seems perfectly reasonable to me that some women are going to regret an adoption, and some women are going to regret an abortion. Their probably a hell of a lot more likely to regret either if they feel forced into them. The more free choice you have, the more likely that you feel in control of the situation and don’t regret your decisions. But really “some people have regrets” is a piss-poor reason to try to make anything illegal or even make it seem immoral. People regret all kinds of things - bad marriages, divorces, poor financial decisions, etc. Let’s make those all illegal because we wouldn’t want anyone to ever feel bad about anything, would we! ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/638 "2011-05-11T18:54:09Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > But for others, abortion may still be the better choice for them. As a fr’instance, it’s definitely a better option for anyone who doesn’t want to be pregnant. There’s certainly nothing inherently wrong with adoption, but it’s clearly not a “better choice” unless you don’t mind bearing a child, which is not exactly a minor undertaking. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/639 "2011-05-11T18:58:00Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > You have 47 chromosomes? I don’t. I was implying she does. It’s a stealth (and extremely classy) Down syndrome joke. At least it was until I had to explain it. And now it’s ruined. WHY THANKS A LOT, \*ASSHOLE \*! 🙂 ETA: also, random thought I just had upon browsing this abortion of a thread, if I get what she’s about embryos should be kept alive because they have the potential to become babies. Bur babies have the potential to become serial killers. Think about it. Or you know, don’t. I sure as hell didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/640 "2011-05-11T19:05:21Z")
[QUOTE=DianaG] .. unless you don’t mind bearing a child, which is not exactly a minor undertaking. [/QUOTE] … or might be killed by bearing a child, or can’t afford to feed another mouth, or are carrying a fetus that will promptly die after birth or be stillborn, or the fetus is a product of rape, or incest, or both, or … > [@Lorski](#): > > Wasn’t this thread supposed to be about people picketing abortion clinics, not adoption versus abortion? > > No one is going to “win” and no one is going to change anyone’s mind. Ah, yes. Point taken. Down with the picketers!! **shakes fist at sky** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=33)