# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/61 "2011-05-06T17:13:34Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > If only there were a clinic that provided free birth control that a young, newly sexually active person could go to without being called a baby murderer… This is where the anti-abortion folks truly puzzle me. If you truly believe abortion is the murder of a baby, why on earth would you not work as hard as possible to get contraception into the hands of every sexually-active person in America? It’s going to be infinitely more effective than trying to shame the already-pregnant, yet pro-choice people (who don’t feel abortion is murder) are far more likely to promote birth control than pro-life people (who do). Why? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/62 "2011-05-06T17:13:43Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Oh but so are fully grown humans. Yes. And? ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/63 "2011-05-06T17:14:15Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > No it doesn’t. It makes me look smart and thanks for the personal insult!!! Is anyone else getting the impression that ‘classyladyhp’ is a) not female b) still in high school? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/64 "2011-05-06T17:14:16Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Oh but so are fully grown humans. No; fully grown humans are intelligent creatures, not just a mindless glob of cells. And it is the mind that is the reason we have rights in the first place; mindless meat is just meat. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/65 "2011-05-06T17:14:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I didn’t say you were stupid. I said your comment made you _look_ stupid. > > You already thanked me, though, so I guess I should follow through: you’re stupid. > > What’s the point of “further debate” when your position is “life begins at conception and that’s the end of it”? Thanks again. Keep insulting me it only serves to make you look the same way you accused me of looking:dubious: I for one am happy to be intelligent enough to be able to express my opinions without resulting to personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/66 "2011-05-06T17:14:58Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Oh but so are fully grown humans. If a fully grown human grabs you, hooks a tube to your arm and starts drinking your blood, the law recognizes your right to kill that person in self-defense. Abortion is no different. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/67 "2011-05-06T17:15:49Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > If you tell me that never happens, well, I suppose I’ll just have to take your word for it. Goodness, I can’t quite see where I said it never happens. Hmmmm… nope, never said that. I merely was amazed that you seemed to have the ability to know what motivates people you have never met except when you were trying to push your morals on them from the sidewalk. But I’m sure you mean well. Bless your heart. ---
**Author:** ![Beniamino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@Beniamino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beniamino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/68 "2011-05-06T17:16:15Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I gave birth about two weeks ago. > […] > Considering the very real risks posed by pregnancy and birthing you and santimonious ilk should be on your hands on and knees in gratitude that a woman dares go through with a pregnancy. Congratulations! Of course, the entire human race should be grateful for mothers. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/69 "2011-05-06T17:17:55Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > If a fully grown human grabs you, hooks a tube to your arm and starts drinking your blood, the law recognizes your right to kill that person in self-defense. Abortion is no different. Abortion is totally different from the scenario you just described. The unborn baby did not attach itself to the womb BY ITSELF. A certain act had to occur on the part of it’s parents in order for it to attach itslelf. It’s not the same thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/70 "2011-05-06T17:18:00Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > And if they stop 100 teenage girls from getting birth control, and 10 of them get pregnant and then get an abortion, it’s still worth it, right? That’s about the size of it. They’re not protesting abortion, they’re judging and trying to intimidate “slutty girls”. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/71 "2011-05-06T17:18:03Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > This is where the anti-abortion folks truly puzzle me. If you truly believe abortion is the murder of a baby, why on earth would you not work as hard as possible to get contraception into the hands of every sexually-active person in America? It’s going to be infinitely more effective than trying to shame the already-pregnant, yet pro-choice people (who don’t feel abortion is murder) are far more likely to promote birth control than pro-life people (who do). Why? Because the anti-abortionists are liars. It’s all about hurting women, not the “murder” of a fetus. They don’t want contraception to be available because that helps women and it gives them one less weapon to use on women. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/72 "2011-05-06T17:19:15Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks again. Keep insulting me it only serves to make you look the same way you accused me of looking:dubious: Erm… okay. You suck. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/73 "2011-05-06T17:19:18Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > Is anyone else getting the impression that ‘classyladyhp’ is a) not female b) still in high school? Wrong on both counts. Then again I happen to be intelligent enough to be able to express my opinion without using mindless insults. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/74 "2011-05-06T17:19:34Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Abortion is totally different from the scenario you just described. The unborn baby did not attach itself to the womb BY ITSELF. A certain act had to occur on the part of it’s parents in order for it to attach itslelf. It’s not the same thing at all. So you do support the right to an abortion in cases of rape, where the mother did not in fact make the choice to perform that “certain act”? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/75 "2011-05-06T17:20:18Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Erm… okay. > > You suck. Terrific thanks again. According to you I suck. Your opinion means nothing to me. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/76 "2011-05-06T17:21:21Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > So you do support the right to an abortion in cases of rape, where the mother did not in fact make the choice to perform that “certain act”? It is not the baby’s fault it was conceived. There is always adoption. ---
**Author:** ![campp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@campp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/campp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/77 "2011-05-06T17:21:31Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > I was thinking the same thing. Oh, please. :rolleyes: I’m not flipping off the _children_. That’s why I said “depending…” \ ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/78 "2011-05-06T17:21:40Z")
> [@](#): > > Terrific thanks again. According to you I suck. Your opinion means nothing to me. Apparently it does, because you keep asking me to express it. I’m not really sure what you’re getting out of this, but hey, I aim to please. ETA: I take it all back. If you oppose abortion even in the case of rape, then your position is at least internally consistent, even if it’s still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/79 "2011-05-06T17:22:38Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > This is where the anti-abortion folks truly puzzle me. If you truly believe abortion is the murder of a baby, why on earth would you not work as hard as possible to get contraception into the hands of every sexually-active person in America? It’s going to be infinitely more effective than trying to shame the already-pregnant, yet pro-choice people (who don’t feel abortion is murder) are far more likely to promote birth control than pro-life people (who do). Why? **classladyhp** , **Beniamino** : any comment on this? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/80 "2011-05-06T17:22:58Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > It is not the baby’s fault it was conceived. There is always adoption. So you don’t support the right of a rape victim to get an abortion? And your objection to **ZPG** s analogy is therefore without basis? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=5)