# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/141 "2011-05-06T19:36:21Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I said that because a pro-abortionist stated that the aborted baby could have been the next osama. They’re not pro-abortionist, you dumb shit. They’re pro-choice. Meanwhile, you didn’t say one thing about what the woman could become. Because to you, she’s just a slut who should have kept her legs closed. Speaks volumes. By the way, “abortion” is the procedure and “doctor” is the person who performs it. I don’t expect you to be honest enough to admit to that, but now you can’t deny you weren’t informed. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/142 "2011-05-06T19:36:38Z")
> [@Bambro](#): > > :rolleyes: > > WTF? Every damn spring we seem to have a run on retarded cunt warts who crawl out of the fuckin woodwork with some stupid shit. Thanks for the compliment!!!All I know is I don’t have to resort to vulgar name calling to get my point across. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/143 "2011-05-06T19:37:56Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > And, of course,there are pro-lifers who are in favor of contraception. Here’s the obligatory link to All Our Lives, a group that is pro-life and pro-contraception: [http://www.allourlives.org/](http://www.allourlives.org/) > Just because it is convenient for both pro-choicers and religious pro-lifers to ignore that there are people out there who support this perfectly logical position doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. And because they’re the exception to the rule by a big margin, who gives a shit? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/144 "2011-05-06T19:38:04Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > All I know is I don’t have to resort to vulgar name calling to get my point across. “pro-abortionist” \*\*IS \*\*vulgar name-calling. Also, your posts need more exclamation points. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/145 "2011-05-06T19:38:07Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the compliment!!!All I know is I don’t have to resort to vulgar name calling to get my point across. Oh? Lemme just put this here then: > [@classyladyhp](#): > > I said that because a \*\*pro-abortionist \*\*stated that the aborted baby could have been the next osama. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/146 "2011-05-06T19:41:34Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the compliment!!!All I know is I don’t have to resort to vulgar name calling to get my point across. I know it’s not as much fun as responding to every remotely-negative statement, but any interest in giving your views on expanded access to contraception as a means of reducing abortion? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/147 "2011-05-06T19:43:05Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Thanks for the compliment!!!All I know is I don’t have to resort to vulgar name calling to get my point across. Yuu don’t have a point unless it’s on your head. You have propaganda, sexist double standards, ignorance of staggering dimensions, and lies. Also, there’s a world wide exclamation point shortage. You’re depriving teenyboppers of their ability to discuss Justin Beiber in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Adding four of them to each of your moronic sentences does not add additional degrees of truth (which they lack from the get go), gravity, or importance. Since your only apparent virtue is clutching your pearls about so-called vulgar fucking language while you ever-so-politely say horrible things without expletives, it amounts to hypocrisy. Anybody who’d say that babies are punishment for sex, that women should keep their legs closed, and that rape victims basically have to suck it up because you primly want to ruin their lives while doing nothing for them is fucking disgusting, except fucking is actually pretty pleasant and ought not to be a swear word. Why do I picture her clapping her hands excitedly in front of her face and squealing? It’s all those fucking exclamation points, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/148 "2011-05-06T19:43:44Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > I’d be more inclined to go with the mainstream media position were it not for my own life experiences. For example, I happen to know, with near 100% certainty, that I would have lost my virginity at 14 rather than 20 (I don’t know any of you, do I?) if I could have easily gotten my hands on a condom. And I may just have waited until marriage if (1) my parents and people I looked up to had encouraged me to do so; (2) I had teachers who explained the benefits of abstinence; and (3) I had not been absorbing for 20 years society’s message that college is for screwing around, sex is mere recreation with no moral, psychological, or ethical consequences, and people can be used as means, rather than as ends in themselves. > > The third element, society, changes slowly, and your parents and role models are who they are (I love my parents, but they were of the “boys will be boys” mindset), but limiting the ubiquity of contraception (e.g. not freely distributing it in high schools), and ensuring that children be taught that people are not simply playthings to be used for one’s own sexual fulfillment, and that there is real benefit to and exclusive sexual relationship with one’s spouse, can be brought about now. The problem with your argument is that you assume people have the same views about sex as you do. I did lose my virginity at 14, and thank God I had access to condoms. Maybe I was a little young, but at the time I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. Reflecting back on it, I’m still glad I did. I imagine it affects people differently, but being a sexually frustrated adolescent boy was absolute hell for me. Sex was something I had a powerful and near constant craving for. It was like being very hungry or very tired. When I’m deprived of food, sleep, or sex, it makes me very angry and unhappy. Having sex made me feel happy and fulfilled. Being happy and fulfilled is not only better for me, but generally makes me a nicer and more pleasant person which is better for people who have to interact with me. I can’t imagine what kind of grump I would have turned into if I would have had to wait until I was 20 to have sex. When I was 14, yes I was a bit lacking in wisdom and experience, and yes it was only puppy love and the relationship didn’t last in the long run. But it was very important to me at the time, and I can still look back on those experiences fondly. On the other hand, if people had successfully prevented my access to condoms, the situation could have turned out much more negatively for me. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/149 "2011-05-06T19:45:54Z")
> [@margin](#): > > They’re not pro-abortionist, you dumb shit. They’re pro-choice. Meanwhile, you didn’t say one thing about what the woman could become. Because to you, she’s just a slut who should have kept her legs closed. Speaks volumes. > > By the way, “abortion” is the procedure and “doctor” is the person who performs it. I don’t expect you to be honest enough to admit to that, but now you can’t deny you weren’t informed. Thanks for the compliment. How eloquently put. “insert sarcasm” ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/150 "2011-05-06T19:46:55Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Why do I picture her clapping her hands excitedly in front of her face and squealing? It’s all those fucking exclamation points, isn’t it? I dunno, I picture a woman at a computer in a nice business suit getting really excited about Hewlett Packard printers. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/151 "2011-05-06T19:46:56Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Yuu don’t have a point unless it’s on your head. You have propaganda, sexist double standards, ignorance of staggering dimensions, and lies. > > Also, there’s a world wide exclamation point shortage. You’re depriving teenyboppers of their ability to discuss Justin Beiber in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Adding four of them to each of your moronic sentences does not add additional degrees of truth (which they lack from the get go), gravity, or importance. > > Since your only apparent virtue is clutching your pearls about so-called vulgar **fucking** language while you ever-so-politely say horrible things without expletives, it amounts to hypocrisy. Anybody who’d say that babies are punishment for sex, that women should keep their legs closed, and that rape victims basically have to suck it up because you primly want to ruin their lives while doing nothing for them is f **ucking** disgusting, except \*\*fucking \*\*is actually pretty pleasant and ought not to be a swear word. > > Why do I picture her clapping her hands excitedly in front of her face and squealing? It’s all those **fucking** exclamation points, isn’t it? Can you say anything without swearing? It’s a serious question. Wow. I feel sorry for you. Having so much hate inside cannot be healthy. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/152 "2011-05-06T19:51:10Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Can you say anything without swearing? It’s a serious question. Wow. I feel sorry for you. Having so much hate inside cannot be healthy. When you’re done tsking all the potty mouths, any chance of answering this? > [@Giraffe](#): > > I know it’s not as much fun as responding to every remotely-negative statement, but any interest in giving your views on expanded access to contraception as a means of reducing abortion? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/153 "2011-05-06T19:53:12Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > “pro-abortionist” \*\*IS \*\*vulgar name-calling. > > Also, your posts need more exclamation points. No it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/154 "2011-05-06T19:54:33Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Can you say anything without swearing? It’s a serious question. Wow. I feel sorry for you. Having so much hate inside cannot be healthy. God, you’re so fucking trite. That means that you’re not interesting enough to hate. The people I hate tend to have to study, take exams, work on it, apply themselves, maybe get a tutor or two, sacrifice annoying churchy assholes, make a stab at using decent punctuation, not use exclamation points like a fucking tween… Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck It’s these standard responses, especially ----“Women should just keep their legs closed”----that makes me picture somebody in a tightly-buttoned yet chaste baggy twinset who’s never worn a mini skirt with sparkly high heels in her life and probably thinks certain outfits are slutty, to go along with revolting statements like “If you don’t want to get pregnant…” (fill in classic sexist tripe here.) ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/155 "2011-05-06T19:54:37Z")
> [@Beniamino](#): > > Well, that about sums it up, doesn’t it? If we can’t agree on when a human becomes a human, we’re not going to agree about when abortion becomes murder. Day 0? Day 90? Somewhere in between? > > It’s a byzantinely complex issue. Roe v. Wade says “viability”, but soon we’ll be able to “grow” babies from eggs, so what does that mean? Heartbeat? Brain waves? Pain sensation? High school graduation? > > Seems to me, if you have to draw a line, there’s only one line to be drawn – conception. Any other “line” is fictive. > > But until debaters agree when human life becomes human life, further debate is not productive. Your own post contradicts you. You seem to think that future developments in assisted conception would make viability an irrelevant concept, yet you think that there is something magic about the moment that a sperm meets an egg. What is ridiculous about this is that it comes down to a belief that a person who flushes an egg out of a petri dish one second after the sperm has met the egg is a murderer. But the person who one second before hand throws the sperm down the sink and pours acid on the egg has done nothing wrong… Your attitude would logically lead us to considering masturbation to be mass murder on a genocidal scale. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/156 "2011-05-06T19:54:58Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > When you’re done tsking all the potty mouths, any chance of answering this? I have no problem with expanded access to contraception. It’s a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/157 "2011-05-06T19:55:18Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > I have no problem with expanded access to contraception. It’s a good idea. Good to know. Thanks for answering. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/158 "2011-05-06T19:55:45Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > No it’s not. Is too! Jesus fucking Christ, more and more I’m convinced we’re arguing with my thirteen-year-old niece. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/159 "2011-05-06T19:57:29Z")
> [@margin](#): > > God, you’re so **fucking** trite. That means that you’re not interesting enough to hate. The people I hate tend to have to study, take exams, work on it, apply themselves, maybe get a tutor or two, sacrifice annoying churchy assholes, make a stab at using decent punctuation, not use exclamation points like a \*\*fucking \*\*tween… > > **Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck** It’s these standard responses, especially ----“Women should just keep their legs closed”----that makes me picture somebody in a tightly-buttoned yet chaste baggy twinset who’s never worn a mini skirt with sparkly high heels in her life and probably thinks certain outfits are slutty, to go along with revolting statements like “If you don’t want to get pregnant…” (fill in classic sexist tripe here.) Thanks for answeing my question. I guess you can’t say anything without swearing:D I will no longer respond to you on this thread. I have better things to do. i don’t hate anyone. I do dislike certain people though. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/160 "2011-05-06T19:58:29Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Is too! > > Jesus fucking Christ, more and more I’m convinced we’re arguing with my thirteen-year-old niece. Have a nice day! I’m not the one with the potty mouth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=9)