# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1741 "2011-05-19T17:55:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You are correct-I used 'conception" instead of “fertilization”. With that mis-step corrected, what is your answer? An egg has not been fertilized yet. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1742 "2011-05-19T17:57:50Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > You’re not serious right? Lets say a baby’s mother doesn’t think her newborn is a person. Lets say the newborn is crying and she can’t stop it. In her mind she can shake it or hit it because after all it’s not a person. > Wow. Ah, but unlike an idiot, I know there’s a distinction between _thought_ and _action_. You’re an idiot, by the way. And a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1743 "2011-05-19T17:57:51Z")
Watching \*\*Czarcasm \*\*arguing with \*\*classyladyhp \*\*is about like what I imagine watching a boxing match between Evander Holyfield and a paraplegic would be like. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1744 "2011-05-19T18:02:49Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > An egg has not been fertilized yet. If you had any guts(or a shred of honesty), you would just say that you refuse to give any answer that you couldn’t find on a bumper sticker. All you’ve got are slogans and word games. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1745 "2011-05-19T18:08:22Z")
Troll answer to the above: I don’t even own a car! See, it’s the answer that gets to contradict the assumption. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1746 "2011-05-19T18:15:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you had any guts(or a shred of honesty), you would just say that you refuse to give any answer that you couldn’t find on a bumper sticker. All you’ve got are slogans and word games. No. I find that you have been arrogant and disrespectful in all your posts directed at me. It’s my choice not to respond to your questions. All this time I thought you were pro-choice:smack: ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1747 "2011-05-19T18:16:45Z")
> [@zeriel](#): > > watching \*\*czarcasm \*\*arguing with \*\*classyladyhp \*\*is about like what i imagine watching a boxing match between evander holyfield and a paraplegic would be like. hahahahhah ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1748 "2011-05-19T18:16:47Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > The very fact that the term pro-abortion is anathema to so called pro-choicers is an admission that abortion is wrong. I predict you’ll be more interesting in a discussion once you figure out how the English language works. Hint; Not that way. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1749 "2011-05-19T18:17:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Ah, but unlike an idiot, I know there’s a distinction between _thought_ and _action_. > > You’re an idiot, by the way. And a troll. You’re a loser. Take care. I don’t respect you or your dumb opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1750 "2011-05-19T18:18:07Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Troll answer to the above: I don’t even own a car! Isn’t it sad that no one would be surprised if she _did_ respond with something along those lines? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1751 "2011-05-19T18:18:55Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > You’re not serious right? Lets say a baby’s mother doesn’t think her newborn is a person. Lets say the newborn is crying and she can’t stop it. In her mind she can shake it or hit it because after all it’s not a person. > Wow. I see the troll can’t answer this one can he? Stop picking on me because I reveal how dumb you are. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1752 "2011-05-19T18:19:13Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > You’re not serious right? Lets say a baby’s mother doesn’t think her newborn is a person. Lets say the newborn is crying and she can’t stop it. In her mind she can shake it or hit it because after all it’s not a person. > Wow. Fallacy of the excluded middle. Just because some arguments are complex, it doesn’t mean all are. Or to put it less flowery, just because there is a twilight doesn’t mean there is no day or night. In complex areas people of integrity with differing ideas start from they have common ground and work from there. ETA: Your posts are getting more and more strident sounding. Is that how you really want to present yourself? ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1753 "2011-05-19T18:27:12Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Fallacy of the excluded middle. > > ETA: Your posts are getting more and more strident sounding. Is that how you really want to present yourself? That’s nice. That still doesn’t prove there is no harm in thinking a newborn is not a person but carry on. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1754 "2011-05-19T18:30:24Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I predict you’ll be more interesting in a discussion once you figure out how the English language works. Hint; Not that way. …that’s terrific. I am fully aware of the English language and I am also fluent in 2 other languages:rolleyes: All this time I thought that the subject of this thread was picketers:dubious: It’s time for you to sharpen up those reading comprehension skills. I’m sending you some hooked on phonics. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1755 "2011-05-19T18:31:21Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > hahahahhah You… you ARE aware that you’re the paraplegic in this analogy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1756 "2011-05-19T18:34:00Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > …that’s terrific. I am fully aware of the English language and I am also fluent in 2 other languages:rolleyes: > All this time I thought that the subject of this thread was picketers:dubious: > It’s time for you to sharpen up those reading comprehension skills. I’m sending you some hooked on phonics. Better put a speak-and-spell on that order for yourself, then, as well as a remedial grammar text. Might want to start with the section where they tell you how many periods there are in an ellipsis, although a refresher on what nouns need to be capitalized would also be a good start. Once you get that straightened out, we can work on the missing commas. Just think, in a year or two you might be in shape to start an intro to rhetoric and debate class! Complaining about the thread drifting after you’ve been a prime mover of the drift is also priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1757 "2011-05-19T18:36:36Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s funny how all of a sudden all the pro-choicers seem to have “friends” or “relatives” that have these extremely rare conditions. Stop making shit up. If pregnancy could kill her why doesn’t she fucking get a hysterectomy instead of having sex and hoping that the birth control doesn’t fail. That way she can have piece of mind and not have to kill a baby at the same time. And AGAIN you show your complete ignorance on the subject, and that you don’t read the replies of others, but rather that you skim posts for things that you can take offense to. _I_ had pre-eclampsia/toxemia. _I_ had my eyes and heart permanently damaged from carrying a pregnancy to term. _I_ could not find a doctor who would even tie my tubes before I was thirty five or forty, until I went to see several shrinks to certify that I knew that I’d be permanently sterile, and I had to get several MDs to sign off on the sterilization, on the grounds that I’d probably die if I tried to carry another pregnancy to term. And since my husband was in the military, there was no guarantee that I could stay in the US, and every possibility that I’d be in some country where abortions are illegaly, and no way to get out in time. As for having a hysterectomy, again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Reputable doctors WILL NOT remove a healthy organ from the body. Even if a woman should not get pregnant, even if she’s had a tubal, even if she’s had her ovaries removed, they are NOT going to remove the uterus if it’s healthy. It goes against their ethics. I’ll grant that there are plenty of unethical doctors out there, but really, I don’t want one of them operating on me. I might wind up dead, or only [embarrassingly disfigured](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=273825). Even though I don’t have a penis, I do have other body parts that I’m quite fond of, and which I don’t want harmed. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1758 "2011-05-19T18:40:02Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > …that’s terrific. I am fully aware of the English language and I am also fluent in 2 other languages:rolleyes: > All this time I thought that the subject of this thread was picketers:dubious: > It’s time for you to sharpen up those reading comprehension skills. I’m sending you some hooked on phonics. Which languages do you claim to be fluent in, then? Because you consistently misuse English words. You seem to pick up words randomly, and try to use them in a context which is inappropriate. For instance, you kept using “troll” to mean “person who disagrees with me”, when that’s not what it means at all. ---
**Author:** ![irishgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8edcca/32.png) [@irishgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irishgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1759 "2011-05-19T18:40:26Z")
Troll- an inflammatory claim that probably shouldn’t be aimed at posters who have been here for years, posting in threads in various forums, on diverse topics. Do any of the pro-life posters feel like clarifying how they plan to reduce the demand for abortions? Not by making abortion illegal- which reduces safety and access, but not demand. What are your proposals that would give women who feel abortion is their best option a viable alternative? How would you plan to fund these plans? If that question is too hard- here’s an easier one. If you agree that abortion may be permissible to save a woman’s life (and at least **CLHP** thinks that) how much risk does there have to be on her life? 100% certain death if the pregnancy continues? 90%? 75%? 50%? 20%? 10%? 1%? What, if any, evidence can you use to justify the “acceptable” level of risk of death you have decided upon? When come back, please bring answers. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1760 "2011-05-19T18:40:49Z")
> [@AlienVessels](#): > > You grant that I can judge a fetus is a person, but the implication is that you don’t understand why that belief morally obligates me to interfere with you killing a person? I understand the moral obligation. I just want people to consider the facts and the real world implications of their beliefs and the actions they take because of them. I’d like to understand and explore what other moral obligations go along with their beliefs and actions. Such as, offering real world help to pregnant women and the children you insist they are morally bound to have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935.md?page=89)