# Abortion-clinic picketers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 6, 2011, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935 "2011-05-06T05:57:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1821 "2011-05-19T23:00:09Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > Why on earth should I watch what I say to you? Are you going to hunt me down? Are you going to tell on me? What possible consequence could there be to my insulting you? You are nothing to me or anyone else in this thread. **At this point the only reason people are interacting with you is to provoke a response from you–and guess what? It’s working! You are entertaining the hell out of us with your little outbursts and complaints**. Now that Trump is out of the running for President, someone has to fill that role. You are a troll. How utterly juvenile. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1822 "2011-05-19T23:10:56Z")
> [@classyladyhp](#): > > Yes I did have a traumatic experience. Feel free to make fun of that as well. I am sorry for whatever loss you suffered. Both my pregnancies were dangerous for me- seriously dangerous. My second pregnancy we had a huge scare that our child had serious genetic defects and it took weeks before the results indicating everything was fine came back. We had plans thought out for every contingency- what we’d do if it was Down Syndrome, what we do if it was cystic fibrosis, what we’d do if it was indeterminate genetic abnormalities. Each was a possibility. And who knows what we would really decide if the results were bad. With up most gratitude everything was fine and I had my beautiful daughter, who next week will have her Bat Mitzvah and I love her so much. My experience made me even more pro-choice. How could I dictate to anyone else what to do, what to choose, how to live with themselves? My reactions to being pro-choice come out of my life experiences as well. So when I get called a lunatic, or a baby killer, or a multitude of hateful epithets it hurts because I know the pain in my heart. Because I’ve held the hand of young college students who got pregnant due to a lack of good sex ed or the pressure of a boyfriend, or failed birth control, or rape and seen the unmitigated pain in her eyes as she has struggled with what to do. I’ve had to contemplate aborting my fetus (who was my little girl in my mind). It is NEVER a cavalier, flippant decision, casually made. To imply otherwise is more hateful than anything you can every say. Disagree, believe I’m wrong, follow your own heart. But don’t ever think you have a monopoly on love, compassion and the sanctity of life. That is the epitome of hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1823 "2011-05-19T23:23:18Z")
> [@Little\_Bird](#): > > You’re a snotty little cunt who can dish it out but can’t take it and thinks you are far, far smarter than you are. > [@](#): > > Restricted language in the Pit > > * * * > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. > > cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper > motherfucker > cocksucker > fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die > suck/lick my dick/cock and variants > **[Restricted language in the Pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858)** > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper motherfucker cocksucker fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die suck/lick my dick/cock and variants Expressions not... Please refrain from calling \*\*classyladyhp \*\*a cunt. That’s against the rules. Thanks. **Gfaptor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1824 "2011-05-19T23:32:09Z")
We need a “like” button for individual posts. \<3 **IvoryTowerDenizen** \<3 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1825 "2011-05-19T23:32:30Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Please, tell me again how I’m on my period. That one is my favorite! Midol makes my heart pound. Somebody send me some chocolate instead! ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1826 "2011-05-19T23:35:51Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > It is NEVER a cavalier, flippant decision, casually made. To imply otherwise is more hateful than anything you can every say. Ummm, lol. Who are **YOU** kidding? Kacey Jordan would like a word with you. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1827 "2011-05-19T23:47:50Z")
> [@cosmosdan](#): > > I guess you are. As your arguments as systematically dismantled your defense becomes more and more ridiculous and obvious word games. Right. Because, you know, pointing out that I didn’t say what you said I said (and even said something to opposite) is playing a word game. Uh-huh… Right. > [@](#): > > You specifically chose those mundane choices as an example to bolster your argument. That’s a huge fail. Or, you know, not. > [@](#): > > You could have done that without making the false argument about the meaning of choice , but no matter. You failed in that argument as well. You cannot speak to what people assume about the choice of abortion without being a mind reader, and you’re not one. Show me where I argued the meaning of choice. I want page number and post number. Like, nao, please. > [@](#): > > The answer is individuals don’t get to declare something is or isn’t murder based on a personal opinion. Our legal system does. Among the individuals who don’t get to declare what is or isn’t murder , is you and every other anti abortionist who uses the term murder , or baby killer. People are not discounting the consequences or looking at them as qualitatively the same simply because they happen to disagree with your assessment. Okay, so if murder isn’t a matter of personal opinion, but rather the law, and the law says that murder is always wrong, then there is such a thing as an absolute moral wrong. > [@](#): > > We are simply supporting the woman’s choice about her own body as being primary in considering the consequences. This is demonstrated by supporting the choice of no abortion. In fact plenty of pro choice supporters might even prefer the no abortion choice , but still feel it’s the woman’s choice to make. Your pro abortion argument, or assertion, call it what you will, is wrong. Who are you kidding? Do you want me to start picking out quotes in this thread where pro-choicers make the sole consideration the woman, or some right to bodily integrity/right to bodily autonomy? Because I can find at least twenty examples of this. If a pro-choicer supports the choice of no abortion, it’s because the woman has decided that being pregnant doesn’t violate her right to bodily autonomy/right to bodily integrity. Please tell me how this isn’t true. > [@](#): > > Wrong, your argument assumes your conclusions are already correct, but according to current law, you’re wrong, and you yourself pointed out that individuals don’t get to make those declarations on their own and expect them to carry weight. Yeah, no. Would you like to actually read what I bother to type out, instead of your interpretation of it? > [@](#): > > For one thing, in many cases it is not a fetus being aborted, and it’s not a him or a her. This is nowhere even close to true. > [@](#): > > The perceptions I’m clearly speaking of are your personal perceptions of the “rights” of that life vs the rights of the woman to her own body. That’s your opinion, and nothing more. I’m also speaking of your ludicrous assertions about how pro choice supporters are viewing the choice. What you seem to be saying, is that if they don’t agree with your opinions on the matter, they must be seeing it in the way you described. That’s obviously incorrect. And from that precisely being something I didn’t say nor type out, way to ignore what I actually typed. > [@](#): > > Stop claiming you know what other people think. You don’t. The very fact that viability is an issue disproves your earlier claim that pro choice supporters see the choices as qualitatively equal. The potential of human life is recognized from day one, but the question remains, does that potential life have rights compared to the woman’s rights, and when. The fact that is is looked at that way shows that the value of human life is being weighed. Yeah… No. If, as you assert, viability is “important”, then as medical technology advances and pushes the limit of viability earlier in the pregnancy, then you’d agree that the limits on abortion also must be pushed earlier into pregnancy to match those of viability, which you deem as “important”. But there’s a damn good chance that you’d be thoroughly unwilling to argue as much, meaning viability is thoroughly irrelevant to any kind of argument you’re trying to make. Now feel free to ignore this at your discretion. > [@](#): > > And it’s over simplified nonsense that bares no resemblance to reality, every time. Choices often have some negative and some positive consequences , and we weigh those in making choices. People have the liberty to make certain choices, that may have a negative impact on others. So you believe people can choose to do wrong, which is what I said, and have it rationalized based on the fact that they chose to do so? I mean, really… If you’re not going to read the quote you quoted, then don’t bother responding. Again, for people who like to scream “straw man!” at every corner, you guys and gals sure do love to engage in them. > [@](#): > > I think it’s because it’s ignorant and wrong, as I’ve demonstrated. Claiming that just labeling something the opposite without regard for the true meaning of the words, is ignorant abuse of how language works, and you’re smart enough to know it. It’s neither ignorant nor is it wrong. I made this point to Zeriel and (s)he ignored it. Let’s see what happens with you. > [@](#): > > You do realize that pro means proponent, correct? How, exactly, do you take proponent of abortion to mean you actively encourage abortions? How, exactly, do you take pro-abortion to mean you encourage abortions? Do pro-gun people encourage people to own gun? Do people who use the term pro-gay mean they encourage everyone to be gay? It seems your pro distinction you are making right now is not made anywhere else. The problem here is that you’re incorrectly using the “pro-” label to mean something completely different when as compared to every other non-abortion instance it’s used. Why? I have no idea, though I can surmise probably because abortion is a dirty word, and you’d rather have to hide behind euphemisms to make yourself feel better about yourself. But that’s just a total guess 😉 > [@](#): > > Right, that’s not at all why it’s incorrect. It’s incorrect because of how language works and for the reasons I’ve spelled out rather clearly. You can continue to make your false assertion, you just can’t support it with anything resembling logic. No. See above. > [@](#): > > You frame questions that are either irrelevant or assume your personal opinion on the matter is correct, and then complain that people are avoiding them as if it’s some sign you’re capturing the discussion. It isn’t. If you’re going to demand an answer, or claim posters are purposely avoiding questions, please explain the point you’re trying to make, or why that question is relevant. Personally I find a lot of your posts to be irrelevant and that’s why I pass over it. Yes, because asking Bryan if he would tell an a woman she can’t have an abortion for any reason is irrelevant and/or assuming my personal opinion on the matter correct. …Oh wait, no it’s not. You ignore my posts not because they’re irrelevant, but because you can provide no justification of your position. It’s pretty hard to defend the indefensible. It’s really that simple. I, for example, find a lot of you guys posts to bring up irrelevant points, but I respond to them all the same. It’s funny to me to see the same people claim that classy is avoiding their questions, avoid answering my question like they have the Bubonic plague and ebola wrapped up into one. Irony at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1828 "2011-05-19T23:51:52Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Ummm, lol. Who are **YOU** kidding? Kacey Jordan would like a word with you. 1. I’m impressed that, by her own admission, a porn star has only had 4 abortions in her life. 2. She’s a porn star. A casual attitude towards moral life choices that the vast majority of people struggle with pretty much defines her character. 3. Your being unable to deal with a thoughtful, well put post only demonstrates your lack of intellectual integrity. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1829 "2011-05-19T23:54:35Z")
> [@Pullet](#): > > 1. I’m impressed that, by her own admission, a porn star has only had 4 abortions in her life. > > 2. She’s a porn star. A casual attitude towards moral life choices that the vast majority of people struggle with pretty much defines her character. > > 3. Your being unable to deal with a thoughtful, well put post only demonstrates your lack of intellectual integrity. 1.) Five. 2.) That’s a… Pretty untrue characterization about porn stars in general. 3.) I can deal with such a post just fine. Though if people want to start throwing out the (highly untrue) line about abortion never being an easy, cavalier decision for women, then it’s about at that point where their post shouldn’t be taken seriously, as many individuals can tell you of people who have two, three, four and even five abortions without batting an eye. And, funnily enough, they’re not just “pro-life horror stories”. They actually happen. Like every day. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1830 "2011-05-19T23:57:48Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > 1.) Five. > > 2.) That’s a… Pretty untrue characterization about porn stars in general. > > 3.) I can deal with such a post just fine. Though if people want to start throwing out the (highly untrue) line about abortion never being an easy, cavalier decision for people, then it’s about at that point where their post shouldn’t be taken seriously, as many individuals can tell you of people who have two, three, four and even five abortions without batting an eye. I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, are you honestly engaging at this point or still dismissing thoughtful posts with gibberish? ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1831 "2011-05-20T00:01:09Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I haven’t been keeping up with this thread, are you honestly engaging at this point or still dismissing thoughtful posts with gibberish? Except-- get this-- it’s not gibberish. Again, anyone who claims that abortion isn’t a decision that women take cavalierly (sp?) is living in a world entirely of their own fashioning. It’s simply not true, and anyone who would take, like, a minute to either search the internet or talk to people would know it’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1832 "2011-05-20T00:11:10Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Ummm, lol. Who are **YOU** kidding? Kacey Jordan would like a word with you. I could probably dig up a pro-lifer who did say they wanted to control women and didn’t care about issues of the right of the fetus. Would you want your position defined by the most extreme element you can find? ETA: My post was filled with specific life experiences that lead me to my position. Call me a liar if you must, but I know what I have experienced and who I have counseled. You are simply wrong. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1833 "2011-05-20T00:13:45Z")
Update on the original OP. [Seems that the Right-to-Lifers have lost this round.](http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/local/news/general/antiabortion-camera-ditched/2168446.aspx) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pullet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Pullet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pullet)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1834 "2011-05-20T00:14:51Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > 1.) Five. > > 2.) That’s a… Pretty untrue characterization about porn stars in general. > > 3.) I can deal with such a post just fine. Though if people want to start throwing out the (highly untrue) line about abortion never being an easy, cavalier decision for women, then it’s about at that point where their post shouldn’t be taken seriously, as many individuals can tell you of people who have two, three, four and even five abortions without batting an eye. And, funnily enough, they’re not just “pro-life horror stories”. They actually happen. Like every day. 1. Everything I can find says that [her recent](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/kacey-jordan-charlie-shee_n_825945.html) abortion was [abortion #4](http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/02/exclusive-interview-sheens-porn-star-i-aborted-baby-could-have-been-charlies-or). 2. I’d be willing to admit that you likely know more female porn stars than me, since I know zero. However, I do know that every other woman I’ve met would not be willing to have sex on camera for general distribution. Seems a logical conclusion to me that, on the topic of whether or not to have sex on camera for money, porn stars have a more casual attitude towards this life choice than most women. Is there some part of this that I am extrapolating wrong? 3. So, because **IvoryTowerDenizen** used some hyperbole, the entire post should be laughably dismissed? Interesting. ETA: for number 3, I get the whole idea that **ITD** was drawing from her personal data set. I just want to know the rules of the discussion here ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1835 "2011-05-20T00:15:18Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I could probably dig up a pro-lifer who did say they wanted to control women and didn’t care about issues of the right of the fetus. > > Would you want your position defined by the most extreme element you can find? Because you want to speak in absolutes, which isn’t true at all. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1836 "2011-05-20T00:21:26Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Because you want to speak in absolutes, which isn’t true at all. You know, my kids do this when we argue. They find some minuscule point to latch onto that has some element of error and focus on that to divert and control the conversation. But they’re teenagers, so I give them some slack. Fact remains that I have more respect for pro-life women, women in general I think, to be honorable and responsible than you do for pro-choice women. You hide your contempt poorly. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1837 "2011-05-20T00:21:29Z")
> [@Pullet](#): > > 1. Everything I can find says that [her recent](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/kacey-jordan-charlie-shee_n_825945.html) abortion was [abortion #4](http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/02/exclusive-interview-sheens-porn-star-i-aborted-baby-could-have-been-charlies-or). No, that’s old. [She had another one](http://www.jillstanek.com/2011/04/porn-star-aborting-5th-baby-2nd-this-year/). > [@](#): > > 1. I’d be willing to admit that you likely know more female porn stars than me, since I know zero. However, I do know that every other woman I’ve met would not be willing to have sex on camera for general distribution. Seems a logical conclusion to me that, on the topic of whether or not to have sex on camera for money, porn stars have a more casual attitude towards this life choice than most women. Is there some part of this that I am extrapolating wrong? So if you’re willing to have sex for money, you must be pro-choice? Isn’t that like saying that if you have sex for money, that you must be dumb because you can’t get a real job? There’s no correlation between the two. Hell, I ain’t gonna’ lie. If someone were going to pay me, I’d have sex on camera for money 😛 > [@](#): > > 1. So, because **IvoryTowerDenizen** used some hyperbole, the entire post should be laughably dismissed? Interesting. Well, no. If you were going to do that, it’d be better to do so on the basis that it’s basically a big appeal to emotion. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1838 "2011-05-20T00:24:35Z")
I was responding to Classylady’s post about her own experience driving her position by showing that we have that in common. It was no appeal for anything but to show that one can experience tragedy in pregnancy and come to a prochoice conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![classyladyhp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@classyladyhp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/classyladyhp)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1839 "2011-05-20T00:24:36Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I am sorry for whatever loss you suffered. > > Both my pregnancies were dangerous for me- seriously dangerous. My second pregnancy we had a huge scare that our child had serious genetic defects and it took weeks before the results indicating everything was fine came back. We had plans thought out for every contingency- what we’d do if it was Down Syndrome, what we do if it was cystic fibrosis, what we’d do if it was indeterminate genetic abnormalities. Each was a possibility. And who knows what we would really decide if the results were bad. > > With up most gratitude everything was fine and I had my beautiful daughter, who next week will have her Bat Mitzvah and I love her so much. > > My experience made me even more pro-choice. How could I dictate to anyone else what to do, what to choose, how to live with themselves? My reactions to being pro-choice come out of my life experiences as well. So when I get called a lunatic, or a baby killer, or a multitude of hateful epithets it hurts because I know the pain in my heart. > > Because I’ve held the hand of young college students who got pregnant due to a lack of good sex ed or the pressure of a boyfriend, or failed birth control, or rape and seen the unmitigated pain in her eyes as she has struggled with what to do. I’ve had to contemplate aborting my fetus (who was my little girl in my mind). It is NEVER a cavalier, flippant decision, casually made. To imply otherwise is more hateful than anything you can every say. > > Disagree, believe I’m wrong, follow your own heart. But don’t ever think you have a monopoly on love, compassion and the sanctity of life. That is the epitome of hubris. Thank you. I’m happy that everything turned out ok with your daughter:) ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abortion-clinic-picketers/580935/1840 "2011-05-20T00:25:40Z")
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