Missed the edit window, and an important piece of information…self-described ‘independents’ are split almost exactly down the middle on the issue.
S’funny, but liberals could be pro-life, all glowing with optimism for opportunity and promise for the future…and conservatives could be pro-choice, defending a woman’s property rights in her own body.
(I make a joke, but, in fact, there is a slice of conservatives who feel that way, and another slice who see it as a privacy issue.)
It’s perfectly clear what I mean. Read it again for full understanding. But if you don’t want to read about anyone speaking about the scale of abortion you might better on another thread.
The best part of a million abortions every ten years, in Britain alone, is I think, too high.
Anyone know what the figure is in the USA? Anyone?
Meh, it could be a million a year, in the UK, and I’d be just peachy with it.
The most recent figures I can find are for 2013 -
Cite.
If you don’t believe a fetus has any rights that others are bound to respect, that is a meaningless figure. If you believe a fetus is a separate human life, that’s hundreds of thousands of murders. There doesn’t seem to be any way for one side to convince the other.
Regards,
Shodan
Right – which is why I advocate for both sides to work for comprehensive sex ed, plus free availability for contraception, to reduce unwanted pregnancies (which have already been decreasing for years). If there were evidence that such government policies significantly reduced unwanted pregnancies (and therefore abortions), would you be willing to support them, and encourage other pro-life voters to support them?
I didn’t ask what you thought was too high. I asked what number you thought would be appropriate, and why.
Oh the old “you just don’t understand, so read it again carefully” insult.
No thanks, you were clear, I called you out on it, and now your flailing around with other insults trying to get out of defending your words.
Do you really think that there is anyone here who doesn’t see right through this kind of crap?
I believe a fetus is a *non-*separate human life, and although not all killings are murders it’s hundres of thousands of killings.
You aren’t likely to convince me that when pregnant women kill their fetus via abortion it somehow constitutes murder, that is true.
I notice you haven’t reponded to the sub-thread about working together to lower the occurrence rate of unintended pregnancy among the sexually active. Thoughts?
Correlation does not equal causation. And remember, abortion can give men TEH GAY
A nitpick - I am pro-choice.
That having been said, reducing unwanted pregnancies doesn’t address the core issue - should the remaining abortions be allowed or prohibited? Reducing drug abuse is a good thing too - should drugs be legalized if drug abuse goes down?
Regards,
Shodan
Didn’t know that – thanks!
No, it doesn’t address the core issue, but it could greatly ‘soften’ it. I think a lot of pro-choice people believe that, were everyone fully knowledgeable about sex and birth control, and were birth control freely and easily available for all, unwanted pregnancies would remain at a very low and steady level. If they/we are correct, then such policies would vastly reduce the abortion rate – a result that pro-life people would presumably welcome.
I’m not suggesting that pro-life people will/should stop advocating for their position, just that they should work with pro-choice people on policies that would result in fewer abortions.
Didn’t know that – thanks!
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Me either, or I’d forgotten.
Quote exactly what I said. And tell me what is upsetting you so much. And I’ll give any guidance you require.
This isn’t the pit, so I’ll temper my response.
I’ll go ahead and pass on your offer. Your post is perfectly visible in its entirety up the thread, no need to quote anything at this point. You’ve made it very clear the type of poster that you are and what you contribute, if you want to call it that, to the discourse here.
No, drugs should be legalized unconditionally, and then the usage/abuse issues should be dealt with. As in Portugal. Because having them be illegal has not shown any particular advantage. Just as having abortion be illegal never showed any benefit.
I’d say increased psychological issues on the order of an average of 60% is more than just statistically significant.
I’m hoping that gay thing is a joke. Comparing that to actually having to bear the fetus and make the decision is ludicrous on its face.
The whole article is uncited opinion.
I must say though, it’s been scientifically proven than mocking men and dismissing their feelings and alienating them from their own reproduction and parenthood is the bestest way to get them around to your side.
You think 190,000 sounds high, how about 80 million? It is estimated that around 40% of fertilized egg cells do not implant on the uterus and die. So let’s talk about the notion that life begins at conception.