# About Euthanasiast's suspension. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333 "2008-12-09T00:50:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/321 "2008-12-14T04:25:43Z")
**samclem** , I would assume that what I posted earlier (which you quoted) is correct and the moderator **did** respond to me after all. Am I right that the inaccurate title was never changed or am I wrong about that also? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/322 "2008-12-14T14:52:28Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **samclem** , I would assume that what I posted earlier (which you quoted) is correct and the moderator **did** respond to me after all. Am I right that the inaccurate title was never changed or am I wrong about that also? No, the “Jesus Horses” thread title was never changed, not that I can see. My only point was that you emailed a moderator(who responded) and he/she declined to change it. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/323 "2008-12-14T22:29:54Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > No, the “Jesus Horses” thread title was never changed, not that I can see. > > My only point was that you emailed a moderator(who responded) and he/she declined to change it. Can you take your answer one step further, and tell us why one misleading title was apparently acceptable to the mods, whilst another was grounds for a warning of trolling, leading up to a suspension? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/324 "2008-12-14T23:37:11Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Can you take your answer one step further, and tell us why one misleading title was apparently acceptable to the mods, whilst another was grounds for a warning of trolling, leading up to a suspension? Thanks. For that, you’d have to ask each of the mods involved in the two threads. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/325 "2008-12-15T00:53:09Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > For that, you’d have to ask each of the mods involved in the two threads. See, now, I asked you, as the Staff member that is currently posting in this thread. Are you saying you can’t, or won’t, answer? Fine. Who was the mod that declined to change the “Jesus Horses” thread title? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/326 "2008-12-15T01:03:10Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Can you take your answer one step further, and tell us why one misleading title was apparently acceptable to the mods, whilst another was grounds for a warning of trolling, leading up to a suspension? Thanks. Sometimes the mod hive mind breaks down. When that happens, each nodule of the MHM ends up having to make decisions for itself, and sometimes different MHMNs decide similar issues differently. In such cases, appealing to the MHMSC is the best option. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/327 "2008-12-15T02:03:50Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > See, now, I asked you, as the Staff member that is currently posting in this thread. Are you saying you can’t, or won’t, answer? Fine. Who was the mod that declined to change the “Jesus Horses” thread title? I would answer your question, but don’t know who the mod was. You can ask Zoe, but she forgot that the mod even responded to her. The original [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286216&highlight=jesus) is in the BBQ Pit. I have no idea if that’s where it started out. Again, I don’t have a dog(or horse) in this fight. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/328 "2008-12-15T02:35:09Z")
**Sam** –the message I’m getting is that there’s no clear guideline for you guys on this issue. **Tuba** was **Zoe** ’s second attempt to get the title changed and her reaction was > [@](#): > > My dear Zoe: > > I looked at the referenced thread. > > I did see that it was mentioned very early that the “Jesus Horses” bit was from Jimmy Fallon. > > Now, will everyone remember this? No, they will remember that Georgians are stupid. > > It has ever been thus. > > However, it also appears from the thread that stupidity is an equal opportunity employer that hires in every state. > > Southerners just tend to get painted with that broad brush. It’s Gladly, our cross-eyed bear. > > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator which isn’t in sync with **Lynn’s** “…the information in your title is inaccurate. This sort of inflammatory posting is trolling. DON’T do it again” These two stances seen in direct opposition. Currently **lissener** has a Pit Thread entitled “Bush White House to Obamas: Maybe you can find a park bench to sleep on?” His first line is > [@](#): > > I would guess that it’s more of an oversight than malice, but still Before this current debacle, I’d have thought **lissener’s** title was absolutely fine–inaccurate but designed to catch the viewer’s eye and related enough to the topic that it’s not even remotely trolling. How is **lissener’s** thread any different from **Euth’s** –even down to the acknowledgment that the thread title isn’t 100% accurate. Could you clarify your understanding of this contradiction? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/329 "2008-12-15T03:12:54Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > **Sam** –the message I’m getting is that there’s no clear guideline for you guys on this issue. I’m not sure just _how_ you would write such a clear guideline, but, yes, it would be my understanding that it’s left up to the individual moderator. > [@Fenris](#): > > Currently **lissener** has a Pit Thread entitled “Bush White House to Obamas: Maybe you can find a park bench to sleep on?” > > His first line is > > Before this current debacle, I’d have thought **lissener’s** title was absolutely fine–inaccurate but designed to catch the viewer’s eye and related enough to the topic that it’s not even remotely trolling. > > How is **lissener’s** thread any different from **Euth’s** –even down to the acknowledgment that the thread title isn’t 100% accurate. > > Could you clarify your understanding of this contradiction? Again, without a hard and fast written rule(which I would be against), it is probably left up to the individual moderator’s discretion. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/330 "2008-12-15T03:41:42Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > I’m not sure just _how_ you would write such a clear guideline, but, yes, it would be my understanding that it’s left up to the individual moderator. Fenris’s Rule: “Unless the thread title is unrelated to the subject of the post, it’s fine. Hyperbole, approximate quotes, 'reductio ad absurdum” are all fine. “Come see the fluffy bunnies” title with a “Clinton is a RAPIST!” subject would not be. If you think the thread title is a lie, feel free to discuss it with the poster in the thread" > [@](#): > > Again, without a hard and fast written rule(which I would be against), it is probably left up to the individual moderator’s discretion. But then how do we know what’s OK to post? This isn’t a “Don’t be a jerk” issue. None of the three thread titles in question ( **Lissener’s** , the one **Zoe** was concerned about and **Euth’s** ) may all be misleading, but all three relate to the subject inside the post and none are “Jerk-ish”. Were I an Admin (and we can all breathe a sigh of relief that I’m not 😃 ) I’d say “All three are fine.” Frankly, if the thread title is dishonest, the posters in the thread will deal with it-mostly by eating the poster alive. There doesn’t need to be a rule about “misleading” thread titles, only blatant misrepresentation of thread content. (IMO of course) ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/331 "2008-12-15T05:02:37Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > Again, without a hard and fast written rule(which I would be against), it is probably left up to the individual moderator’s discretion. And…we have our answer. It depends on whose ox is being gored. Christians, Southerners, Bush, all fair targets, PP not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/332 "2008-12-15T08:08:55Z")
> [@](#): > > **Carol** : It depends on whose ox is being gored. Christians, Southerners, Bush, all fair targets, PP not so much. Exactly! But only if Christians are fundamentalists or liberals. Steer clear of the middle ground. White trash is okay. Arabs are okay as long as we don’t refer to their religion. What did we decide about Jews? Biblical Jews are fair game, right? Nix on Holocaust Jews, but okay on New York Jews? Southerners (the white ones by default) are stupid – that goes without saying. So if someone lies in a thread title and makes Southerners look even dumber than they naturally are, they just have to suck it up. That was the understanding that I got from **Tuba Diva’s** post. She worded it very nicely. It would have taken her less time to change the title. So I never got an _explanation_, only a polite response that told me what I already knew. > [@](#): > > **samclem** : I would answer your question, but don’t know who the mod was. You can ask Zoe, but she forgot that the mod even responded to her. But I remember well that I was told who would take care of the problem – and that was **Tuba Diva**. I don’t think I’ve bothered to report an inaccurate or misleading title since that one. ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/333 "2008-12-15T09:12:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by samclem > _Again, without a hard and fast written rule(which I would be against), it is probably left up to the individual moderator’s discretion._ Let’s see if I’ve got this right. Whether or not you get suspended or banned for a thread title depends on which mod is on duty at that time? You, the poster, just take pot luck? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/334 "2008-12-15T10:04:15Z")
You misspelled _pot fuck_. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/335 "2008-12-15T10:05:23Z")
> [@NineToTheSky](#): > > Let’s see if I’ve got this right. Whether or not you get suspended or banned for a thread title depends on which mod is on duty at that time? You’ve got that wrong. Whether or not you get warned for trolling because of a thread title depends on which mod is on duty at that time. It also seems to depend on the mod having a particular interest in the subject of that thread and/or the mod feeling the need to flex a bit of virtual muscle (aka dickwave). Not opening a different thread to tell the mod to fuck off is what gets you suspended or banned. Sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/336 "2008-12-15T10:14:42Z")
It’s been a few days now – Any updates from the mods/admin here? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/337 "2008-12-15T23:20:40Z")
> [@leander](#): > > It’s been a few days now – Any updates from the mods/admin here? Apparently, given this > [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > The mod discussion going on is covering a wide range of topics. Neither I nor any other mod will be posting here until there is resolution. and the fact that **samclem** is posting to this thread, the discussion must be over. I am not aware if the resolution is posted anywhere, or if it will be. Maybe they just haven’t gotten around to it. On preview, maybe this - > [@samclem](#): > > Again, without a hard and fast written rule(which I would be against), it is probably left up to the individual moderator’s discretion. is the resolution. Or maybe **samclem** didn’t know about the rule against posting during ongoing discussions, or the rule’s been changed, or they’re waiting for **Euthanasiast** to serve out his suspension, or something. Who knows? I’m not psychic. 😉 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/338 "2008-12-15T23:41:11Z")
> [@leander](#): > > It’s been a few days now – Any updates from the mods/admin here? Euthanasiast’s suspension is due to end tomorrow, but it will be extended indefinitely while they decide if he should have been suspended or not. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/339 "2008-12-15T23:53:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Apparently, given thisand the fact that **samclem** is posting to this thread, the discussion must be over. > [@](#): > > Or maybe **samclem** didn’t know about the rule against posting during ongoing discussions, or the rule’s been changed, Or maybe the rule is more complex than you think it is. As I suggested earlier, maybe it’s not even a true “rule,” but more of a preference. If you’re expecting me to lay out the details of the “rule” so that you can rules-lawyer it, well, stop. > [@](#): > > or they’re waiting for **Euthanasiast** to serve out his suspension, or something. That ended some time ago. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php?u=40523](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php) The real answer: It’s taking longer than we thought. Someone will make an announcement as soon as we have something to announce. ---
**Author:** ![Euthanasiast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Euthanasiast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euthanasiast)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/340 "2008-12-15T23:57:07Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > Euthanasiast’s suspension is due to end tomorrow, but it will be extended indefinitely while they decide if he should have been suspended or not. Actually it ended early this morning. There is so much that I want to say, but I’d have to open up another thread to do it, and even then what I’d say would almost certainly get me banned. I think it best that I self impose an extension to my suspension. Thank you, to those who made all of the arguments that I couldn’t have during my ‘absence’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333.md?page=18)