# About Euthanasiast's suspension. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333 "2008-12-09T00:50:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/141 "2008-12-09T22:12:20Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > So if you’re going to say “Be an asshole, but not _too_ much of an asshole” it really ought to be spelled out explicitly where the line is. The Pit’s never been a free-for-all. Does it really need to be spelled out that you shouldn’t be an asshole to authority? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/142 "2008-12-09T22:18:14Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Does it really need to be spelled out that you shouldn’t be an asshole to authority? Yes. As evidence I call to your attention all the various threads which have been started complaining about sundry moderator action, many quite assholish, even bordering on abusive. Please find me _one_ of those in which the OP was suspended or banned for that reason without being warned about it first. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/143 "2008-12-09T22:18:58Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > It has never before been considered to be inflammatory in the sense that she used, which is as a definition of trolling. People have said far worse in the Pit on countless occasions without being warned for trolling. Do you think he was \*trolling \*by saying that to her? He sure as hell wasn’t being _nice_. > [@Bosstone](#): > > The Pit’s never been a free-for-all. Does it really need to be spelled out that you shouldn’t be an asshole to authority? Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/144 "2008-12-09T22:19:54Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The Pit’s never been a free-for-all. Does it really need to be spelled out that you shouldn’t be an asshole to authority? It has been repeatedly stated that the Pit is the appropriate venue for complaints about mod actions. And I actually did a search on “fuck+you” in the Pit for just the last year. Perhaps you can guess the results. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/145 "2008-12-09T22:20:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And I actually did a search on “fuck+you” in the Pit for just the last year. Perhaps you can guess the results. How many said “fuck you” or “go fuck yourself” to a mod or admin after being warned? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/146 "2008-12-09T22:29:27Z")
> [@Q.E.D](#): > > That’s because Lynn is a control freak of a cunt. She probably has “My Way or the Highway” tattooed on her ass. That sort of language is despicable. Do policy differences on an internet message board really merit such awful, personal attacks? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/147 "2008-12-09T22:30:36Z")
I don’t think calling someone a control freak is that bad. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/148 "2008-12-09T22:31:50Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Well, I was focused on **Lynn’s** beliefs. And frankly, one cite would have been sufficient - people ambivalent or conflicted about abortion don’t show up to protest at the clinic and they don’t volunteer as clinic escorts either, if they’re on the other side. > > It is plain that Lynn has her opinions on the subject. It’s not that one cite wasn’t sufficient in that it showed your opinion of her on the subject. What I was curious about was whether or not that this was her prevailing attitude generally across the board, such that many people had picked up on it. > [@Shodan](#): > > If you read the complete thread containing the post to which I linked, you will notice that **Lynn Bodoni** considers that her experience as a clinic escort completely outweighs the statistics that I presented. > > Or [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5106781&highlight=abortion#post5106781), where she says the same thing, and adds that any criticism of weariing an “I got an abortion” T-shirt is necessarily a criticism of abortion. > > Any hint of disapproval, any suggestion that gettting an abortion is of any more significance than an enema, and she bristles. In this case, she finds a (rather markedly flimsy) excuse, and immediately locks the thread and suspends the offender. > > I don’t know how many examples you want, but there are three. > > Regards, > Shodan Actually, I hadn’t read the entire thread due to its age (early '06) and again, I just wondered how a overwhelming belief by some in this thread that she was particularly biased because of what she’d said. The cites quoted seemed contextual (except your last one) and still not pointing out as the _reason_ why she banned **Euthanasiast**. Regardless, I realize I sometimes have an undeniable amount of naivete with reading these sorts of situations, so it’s distinctly possible that my interpretation is incorrect. As it often is. 😛 So under those circumstances, I thank you gentleman both again for assisting me. I think I’ll back out of the conversation now, as I have no dog in this fight. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/149 "2008-12-09T22:38:48Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > I don’t think calling someone a control freak is that bad. No, I don’t suppose you would. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/150 "2008-12-09T22:39:03Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > How many said “fuck you” or “go fuck yourself” to a mod or admin after being warned? Warned for something else? Prolly alot ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/151 "2008-12-09T22:50:38Z")
I’ve seen a few of these type of threads shut down hard in the last few months, though in fairness many of them were started by a user whose name incorporated numerical references and jocularity. I suggest we form a **Mod Squad** for feedback from them. I also think that they should have to pony up a few uses of the report this thread, or demonstrate that the thread is a total train wreck to the **Mod Squad** upon request. Mods ought to be accountable for their actions just like the rest of us. While it true that we are able to open threads to question the action, they don’t have to respond, justify their action, or even give a real reason other than: “I made a call.” The **Mod Squad** can keep an independent record of those willing to give good reason, and those that do not; and provide it to the admin as a helpful performance review tool. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/152 "2008-12-09T22:52:49Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > I suggest we form a **Mod Squad** for feedback from them. Okay, but I wanna be Link; that brother had it going _on_, yo. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/153 "2008-12-09T22:58:11Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > How many said “fuck you” or “go fuck yourself” to a mod or admin after being warned? The offense was (allegedly) not that he said “fuck you”; it was that he didn’t open a new thread to do so. :rolleyes: That’s the other part that bothers me. It is not just that the mods do a mind fuck on us (“It doesn’t matter if he meant it or not, it was clear that he meant it”). It’s that we are required to pretend that it makes any kind of sense. And no matter what, they just circle the wagons and ignore it. “They’re complaining again. Ignore it - they complain about everything.” _:shrugs:_ It’s too bad. It really is. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/154 "2008-12-09T23:25:39Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The Pit’s never been a free-for-all. Does it really need to be spelled out that you shouldn’t be an asshole to authority? If you _create_ a forum in which you are _allowed_ to be an asshole to authority under _certain circumstances_ – then yes, those circumstances need to be spelled out. E.g., if I wouldn’t be penalized for starting a thread titled “Fuck Moderator X with a rusty spoon!” and proceeding to complain about that mod’s actions (and so far as I know, such a thread _would_ be allowed under normal circumstances), then it is not at all obvious that **Euthanasiast** would be penalized for what he did. Clearly, the rules of what is or isn’t acceptable behavior in _real life_ don’t apply to the Pit. At least, I sure hope you all don’t talk to people this way in real life.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/155 "2008-12-10T00:14:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The offense was (allegedly) not that he said “fuck you”; it was that he didn’t open a new thread to do so. :rolleyes: > > That’s the other part that bothers me. It is not just that the mods do a mind fuck on us (“It doesn’t matter if he meant it or not, it was clear that he meant it”). It’s that we are required to pretend that it makes any kind of sense. Heh–true. Anyone else remember the rule that lasted just long enough suspend or ban some poor schuck that called one of the mods a “cunt”? It was never a rule before. It was never a rule after. But for just that ONE person in just that ONE instance, the “NEVER, EVER use the “cunt” word” rule existed. (I think the mod in question was **Veb** –but with a 5 minute delay between searches, I’d love On the other hand, I’d love to see this mysterious new “All thread titles must be 100% factually accurate (and if you think it is and you’re wrong, or you misspeak, or apologize for being inaccurate–tough shit!)” rule applied everywhere since that was the original cause of the warning. Count me among the “This was an utterly bullshit warning and a more bullshit suspension” camp. ETA: Ha! Just found the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=352292&highlight=cunt+abuse). That “no using bad words (not just ‘cunt’ as it turns out) on mods” rule was invented in Jan. 2006. Have there been ANY other cases where it was enforced? Or was it just conjured into existence long enough to get **Ellis Dee** , and then vanished? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/156 "2008-12-10T00:34:15Z")
Apparently not - someone called **Lynn** a cunt upthread, so far without reprisal. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/157 "2008-12-10T00:37:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You understand that the “Dateline”-profiled folks are committing a crime when they reply to a 47-year-old sheriff’s deputy online and tell him, “Yes, I’d love to teach you to suck cock,” right? **Bricker** , and other legal folks, can you answer the related question I have in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10551496)? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/158 "2008-12-10T00:47:15Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Ha! Just found the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=352292&highlight=cunt+abuse). There is a gem to be found within that thread. Should you\* be the sort of poster who often finds yourself being called a fucking moron by a mod (posting as a normal member and not in their mod capacity) cite post #15: > [@Ellis Dee -- suspension lifted](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ellis-dee-suspension-lifted/338234/15): > > **Staffers are actually less equal than members in a lot of ways; they’re members too, but restricted to what they can say and what they can do on their own behalf. They are not allowed to get down and dirty with the rest of you.** They often cannot tell you their personal feelings about situations. They are held to a far higher standard of conduct than any other member. AND they work their asses off to get you the best board experience they can come up with on their own time, which they generously contribute. \*A general you, not a Fenris you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/159 "2008-12-10T00:49:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Apparently not - someone called **Lynn** a cunt upthread, so far without reprisal. > > Regards, > Shodan Ya. Post #138, and no mod’s been around since. I don’t think anyone feels that the post should be reported. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333/160 "2008-12-10T03:02:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Lynn, how many threads here over the past eight years have attacked “Republicans” or “the Bush administration” for the actions of one, or a very few, individuals? How about threads attacking “asshole cops?” Or “fundies,” or any other cognizeable group, when the subject of the thread was a single individual’s actions? > > How many of them were closed and the original posters warned about trolling? Seconded. And as many posters stated, I never heard of a rule according to which a poster has to open a new Pit thread to criticize a a Mod’s decision. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-euthanasiasts-suspension/476333.md?page=9)