# About fucking time. The Sandy Hook families are suing Alex Jones for defamation **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 18, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612 "2018-04-18T03:05:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/141 "2023-12-16T21:36:28Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > …isn’t _that_ different. 35% less when he is on the hook for so, so much more? Seems different enough to me (but I have no experience in how such things usually play out). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/142 "2024-02-22T03:52:09Z")
21 of the 23 plaintiffs voted [unanimously in favor](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptcy-law/sandy-hook-families-vote-to-liquidate-alex-jones-bankrupt-estate) of a plan to methodically liquidate all of Jones’ **ass** ets in Chapter 11 bankruptcy (two ballots did not get returned). This as opposed to Jones’ lawyers offer of $5.5M/yr. The liquidation plan does not retire the judgement but allows the plaintiffs to keep after hiw. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/143 "2024-02-22T03:58:34Z")
Maybe I’m missing something, but how do 21 of 23 vote unanimously? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/144 "2024-02-22T04:03:37Z")
> [@Disinfectus](#): > > Maybe I’m missing something, but how do 21 of 23 vote unanimously? > [@eschereal](#): > > (two ballots did not get returned). Fill in words ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/145 "2024-02-22T04:08:36Z")
Got it. Thank you. Someday I’ll learn not to neglect cites. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/146 "2024-03-29T23:29:29Z")
I hope they hound him to his grave. He deserves every second of it. The fact is, with enablers like musk out there, he’s going to keep doing his sick/evil routine. I don’t want him to get too comfortable. Not in living or financially. I want him sweating and looking over his shoulder, and counting pennies forever. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/147 "2024-06-15T06:44:07Z")
He’s finally liquidating his assets, but he gets to continue Infowars…for the time being. [Alex Jones must sell assets; Infowars to continue for now : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/nx-s1-4991095/alex-jones-bankruptcy-sandy-hook-judge-liquidate-chapter7) There’s this bit from the story. > Ultimately, the judge ordered the company bankruptcy dismissed, clearly emotional at the prospect of Jones’s rants possibly causing the families more pain, especially so close to fathers’ Day, the judge noted. His decision allows FSS and Infowars to carry on for now, but they will be somewhat controlled by the trustee in Jones’s personal bankruptcy case; Since Jones owns FSS, his ownership share will eventually be sold off along with his other assets. > > Chris Mattei, attorney for the Connecticut families who wanted the FSS decision to go the other way, said it was still “a good day.” > > “Alex Jones has lost ownership of Infowars, the corrupt business he has used for years to attack the Connecticut families and so many others. The Court authorized us to move immediately to collect against all Infowars assets, and we intend to do exactly that,” Mattei said. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/148 "2024-06-15T11:47:27Z")
Apparently Tucker Carlson is on tour for something or another and has a bunch of guests along the way. He was supposed to be in Milwaukee with Alex Jones, but somehow the people of Milwaukee raised a big enough stink that Jones is no longer coming. I read this article the other day, but it appears to be paywalled, at least for me, now, so I’m going from memory. [https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2024/06/13/alex-jones-cut-from-fiserv-forum-event-with-tucker-carlson-tour-infowars/74089610007/](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2024/06/13/alex-jones-cut-from-fiserv-forum-event-with-tucker-carlson-tour-infowars/74089610007/) ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/149 "2024-06-15T13:08:34Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@mikecurtis](#): > > > > I think Alex Jones is an idiot, but I wonder how far this suit will get. IANAL, but doesn’t a defamation lawsuit have to show actual damage. One man yelling “crisis actors” compared to the entire rest of the American media telling the truth doesn’t seem to me to cause any harm to reputation. And doesn’t entertainment media enjoy a privileged position effectively shielding him from claims of defamation. > > > > I hope the families prevail, but I just dont see it. > > > > mc > > But it isn’t just one guy doing the yelling. There have been documented cases of other people harassing the Sandy Hook parents in real life. [At least one person has already gone to jail for this](http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/newtown-shooting-harassment-judy-richards-1.4149630), so I think it’s pretty safe to say they’ve met the burden of proving actual damage. Exactly. This defamation lawsuit wasn’t just about reputational damage. It was also about actual damages due to the ongoing harassment of the plaintiffs due to the actions of Alex Jones. Not sure if has been noted in this six-year old thread, but one of the plaintiffs, [Leonard Pozner](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Pozner), and his former wife have been forced to move several times because of continued harassment from Jones’s minions. > [@Wikipedia](#): > > …After Pozner succeeded in getting Infowars videos removed from YouTube, Jones showed his audience Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family. In an effort to protect themselves from the continuing harassment, Pozner and Noah’s mother Veronique De La Rosa Haller, and their two surviving children, moved from Connecticut. The harassment has continued however, as each time they move, conspiracy theorists who stalked the family would publish their new address. The family has had to move several times since leaving Connecticut. They currently live in hiding in a high-security community hundreds of miles from where their six-year-old son Noah is buried. Jones’s conduct has been so reprehensible that I hope that the plaintiffs succeed in putting Jones in the poorhouse and putting Infowars out of business. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/150 "2024-06-15T14:00:41Z")
God, that brings tears to my eyes. It’s hard enough suffering such a devastating loss, but to be constantly hounded and reminded of it and to have it haunt you for years afterwards… Horrible. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/151 "2024-06-15T14:17:00Z")
Personally I’m wishing he does hide his wealth but in the process commits a whole bunch of massive felonies. Extra points if he hires the same “email the opposing council proof of your perjury” lawyer to defend him ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/152 "2024-06-24T22:15:59Z")
Infowars is shutting down after all. > **[Bankruptcy trustee discloses plan to shut down Alex Jones' Infowars and...](https://apnews.com/article/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy-sandy-hook-e8bf9a3d11b9506abb18c285d3e7b138)** > > The plan includes liquidating assets to help pay the $1.5 billion Alex Jones owes for calling the Sandy Hook shooting a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/153 "2024-06-24T22:21:50Z")
Good. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/154 "2024-06-24T22:34:48Z")
The bankruptcy court trustee makes it sound like the families just want $$$. > [@](#): > > Referring to the families’ collection efforts, Murray said in the Sunday court filing that “The specter of a pell-mell seizure of FSS’s assets, including its cash, threatens to throw the business into chaos, potentially stopping it in its tracks, to the detriment” of his duties in Jones’ personal bankruptcy case. > > “The Trustee seeks this Court’s intervention to prevent a value-destructive money grab and allow an orderly process to take its course,” Murray said. Most likely they’d be content with Infowars being shut down permanently\* and Jones reduced to ranting on street corners with a busted bullhorn. \*he’ll probably find another forum in which to proclaim his “cancellation”. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/155 "2024-06-24T22:36:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Infowars is shutting down after all. I guess in some wars there are winners and one big loser. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/156 "2024-06-24T22:43:40Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Infowars is shutting down after all. Where will I get my nutritional supplements now? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/157 "2024-06-24T22:44:11Z")
I believe some families would rather see it shut down and others want him rendered naked and homeless. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/158 "2024-06-24T23:06:11Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I believe some families would rather see it shut down and others want him **rendered naked** and homeless. - That’s just plain _cruel_…for us. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/159 "2024-06-24T23:51:47Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Jones’s conduct has been so reprehensible that I hope that the plaintiffs succeed in putting Jones in the poorhouse and putting Infowars out of business. Not just what he said on his show, but his massive bankruptcy fraud and shenanigans. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oELwtNQDP_A/maxresdefault.jpg "Alex Jones Loses His Personal Fortune In Bankruptcy") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oELwtNQDP_A) ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612/160 "2024-06-25T00:07:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I believe some families would rather see it shut down and others want him rendered naked and homeless. And his “brand” extinct. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-fucking-time-the-sandy-hook-families-are-suing-alex-jones-for-defamation/812612.md?page=9)