# About Radical Feminism **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 20, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440 "2017-06-20T15:10:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/121 "2018-02-24T20:00:01Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Why I am not in shock this was in PA? Okay, I’ll bite. Why are you not shocked this was in PA? You think PA lends itself to this type of thing? In what way? More importantly, why do you think women’s prisons are like “kindergarten”? What do you think needs to happen in a women’s prison that isn’t currently happening? ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/122 "2018-02-24T20:13:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite. Why are you not shocked this was in PA? You think PA lends itself to this type of thing? In what way? > > More importantly, why do you think women’s prisons are like “kindergarten”? What do you think needs to happen in a women’s prison that isn’t currently happening? Idk, Well I did saw this the other day > **[Pa. spends more on prisons than colleges, report says](https://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/07/pa_prison_budget_tops_higher_e.html)** > > Pennsylvania is one of 18 states where state and local prisons receive more tax dollars than public universities. That’s kind of why my brain went “bummer” Idk how women’s prisons are as of now in 2018, so I mean my thoughts on women prisons could be inaccurate by now. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/123 "2018-02-24T20:15:02Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > I may not to you, but I am sure some people would agree with me. So what? There are people who agree the earth is flat, big-foot is real and gov’t controls our minds with chem-trails. You should be careful who you associate with, or on whom you rely for informing your views. And please don’t say, ‘I’m here to learn! Why the heat?’, as you continue to spew MRA nonsense and show no willingness to change. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/124 "2018-02-24T20:21:29Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Idk, > > Well I did saw this the other day > [Pa. spends more on prisons than colleges, report says - pennlive.com](http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/07/pa_prison_budget_tops_higher_e.html) > > That’s kind of why my brain went “bummer” > Idk how women’s prisons are as of now in 2018, so I mean my thoughts on women prisons could be inaccurate by now. Well, prisons are expensive due to the required security and the 24/7/365 thing. It’s not like prisoners get bused to prison for 6.5 hours a day and then go home with weekends off. So yeah, public schools could use more funding. No argument there. But this has fuck all to do with addressing the question about why you think women’s prisons are like kindergarten. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/125 "2018-02-24T20:46:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Well, prisons are expensive due to the required security and the 24/7/365 thing. It’s not like prisoners get bused to prison for 6.5 hours a day and then go home with weekends off. > > So yeah, public schools could use more funding. No argument there. > > But this has fuck all to do with addressing the question about why you think women’s prisons are like kindergarten. Well I mean men’s prisons still outnumber women’s, men are still given longer sentences, men are still more likely to be raped in prison, etc Here’s a win-win I am gonna give There is no “male privilege” you get either various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman Women=protected class, therefore right away women are gonna get more social and legal protection than men. Toxic masculinity= does not male privilege. That’s like saying a white person has a higher iq than a brown or black person therefore he has privilege right away. To get privileges you actually need something regarding the law firsthand. I am anti-feminist as they come, I hate the ideology as it is overly vocal, annoying and hateful. First-wave 3rd world feminism I am fine with. 1st world modern feminism which mostly seems to cater to white girls anyways for whatever reason is a cancer that needs to be fired. You can say men are evil all you want, doesn’t change the fact you get various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/126 "2018-02-24T20:56:23Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Well I mean men’s prisons still outnumber women’s, men are still given longer sentences, men are still more likely to be raped in prison, etc > > Here’s a win-win I am gonna give > There is no “male privilege” you get either various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman > Women=protected class, therefore right away women are gonna get more social and legal protection than men. > Toxic masculinity= does not male privilege. > > That’s like saying a white person has a higher iq than a brown or black person therefore he has privilege right away. To get privileges you actually need something regarding the law firsthand. > I am anti-feminist as they come, I hate the ideology as it is overly vocal, annoying and hateful. First-wave 3rd world feminism I am fine with. 1st world modern feminism which mostly seems to cater to white girls anyways for whatever reason is a cancer that needs to be fired. > You can say men are evil all you want, doesn’t change the fact you get various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman. I also rather be an MRA than a feminist in today’s context, thank you. And I am talking legit concerns like fathering rights or double standards regarding dating. A great example: A woman can reject a bald man without getting publicly shamed, yet a man rejecting a whale gets called a shit ton of names I could care less for instance about gendered marketing or male teachers and nurses. And is funny because the biggest target to these feminists still are Western white men Right what about Sharia law? What about the blatant mysogny in hood culture?[see Wikipedia’s article on sexism in hip hop], what about China’s son preference? Aren’t those bigger issues to fix? Another reason why feminism is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/127 "2018-02-24T21:21:24Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > {…} > Women=protected class, > {…} Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Gender, not women. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/128 "2018-02-24T21:27:48Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Do you ever get tired of being wrong? > > Gender, not women. > > CMC fnord! Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/129 "2018-02-24T21:30:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It reads like a retread of the standard obsession with dominance & submission and demonization of men that is standard to a certain segment of the left. The kind of people who don’t believe in friendship, affection or kindness as possible motives for behavior; just power. The sort who think that a woman who has sex with her boyfriend to cheer him up is being raped, because she’s not doing it for herself and therefore by definition is a victim. The sort of people who think like Christian fundamentalists, except they switch out “Satan” with “the patriarchy” and “sinners” with “men”. > > Really, it’s just a wordy re-statement of why so many people consider radical feminists to be hateful control freaks. There are certainly hateful extremists as you describe, as there are in every ‘ism’, but there isn’t any sign of this in the OP. You are being as dismissive as the people you are criticizing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/130 "2018-02-24T21:35:46Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Huh? > [@](#): > > [Protected group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group) > > A protected group or protected class is a group of people qualified for special protection by a law, policy, or similar authority. In the United States, the term is frequently used in connection with employees and employment. > {…} > U.S. federal law protects individuals from discrimination or harassment based on sex, race, age, disability, color, creed, national origin or religion. {…} > The following characteristics are “protected” by United States federal anti-discrimination law: > > ``` > Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964 > Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964 > National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964 > Age (40 and over) – Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 > Sex – Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964 > The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission interprets 'sex' to include discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity {...} > > ``` CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/131 "2018-02-24T21:57:48Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > CMC fnord! Ok, but do you know about the affirmative action controversey? ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/132 "2018-02-24T22:06:40Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Ok, but do you know about the affirmative action controversey? Regarding white women? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/133 "2018-02-24T22:08:38Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > A great example: A woman can reject a bald man without getting publicly shamed, yet a man rejecting a whale gets called a shit ton of names Gee, I can’t imagine someone getting offended over being called a “whale”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Luciano700](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Luciano700](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Luciano700)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/134 "2018-02-24T22:32:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Gee, I can’t imagine someone getting offended over being called a “whale”. :rolleyes: Doesn’t mean we have to feel to feel sympathy for fat people either. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/135 "2018-02-24T23:45:13Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Doesn’t mean we have to feel to feel sympathy for fat people either. Did I say you had to? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/136 "2018-02-25T01:20:17Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > And I am talking legit concerns like fathering rights or double standards regarding dating. Thank you very much for pointing out for pointing out discrimination faced by men. Men are discriminated in divorce. Male victims of Domestic Violence experience severe discrimination. Male offenders get [61% longer sentences for the same crime](https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1164&context=law_econ_current). Male bashing is considered the norm and widely accepted by all kinds of media. Fortunately, already 33% of men realize that men face at least a moderate amount of discrimination. Decent humans will take your point and understand that discrimination against anyone is wrong. Stray dogs will bark at you just for wanting fairness, but you can ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/137 "2018-02-25T02:11:55Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Well I mean men’s prisons still outnumber women’s, men are still given longer sentences, men are still more likely to be raped in prison, etc > > Here’s a win-win I am gonna give > There is no “male privilege” you get either various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman > Women=protected class, therefore right away women are gonna get more social and legal protection than men. > Toxic masculinity= does not male privilege. > > That’s like saying a white person has a higher iq than a brown or black person therefore he has privilege right away. To get privileges you actually need something regarding the law firsthand. > I am anti-feminist as they come, I hate the ideology as it is overly vocal, annoying and hateful. First-wave 3rd world feminism I am fine with. 1st world modern feminism which mostly seems to cater to white girls anyways for whatever reason is a cancer that needs to be fired. > You can say men are evil all you want, doesn’t change the fact you get various cons and pros of being a man vs being a woman. > [@Luciano700](#): > > I also rather be an MRA than a feminist in today’s context, thank you. > And I am talking legit concerns like fathering rights or double standards regarding dating. > A great example: A woman can reject a bald man without getting publicly shamed, yet a man rejecting a whale gets called a shit ton of names > I could care less for instance about gendered marketing or male teachers and nurses. > And is funny because the biggest target to these feminists still are Western white men > Right what about Sharia law? What about the blatant mysogny in hood culture?[see Wikipedia’s article on sexism in hip hop], what about China’s son preference? Aren’t those bigger issues to fix? > > Another reason why feminism is a joke. What the fuck does any of this have to do with what I asked you to respond to, or what you said in previous posts? You know what, I can’t do this with you anymore. You don’t seem capable of rational thought or coherent expression that resembles reasoned argument. It’s nothing but streams of incontinent gibberish from you. Not at all surprising that CCitizen understand what the fuck you’re ever talking about. He seems like fitting company for you. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/138 "2018-02-25T03:51:19Z")
> [@Luciano700](#): > > Right what about Sharia law? What about the blatant mysogny in hood culture?[see Wikipedia’s article on sexism in hip hop], what about China’s son preference? Aren’t those bigger issues to fix? > > Another reason why feminism is a joke. There’s no rule saying we can only fix one problem at a time. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/139 "2018-02-25T05:34:26Z")
As far as I’m concerned, patriarchy deniers belong in the same boat as holocaust deniers. I have no idea why this thread “appeals you”. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440/140 "2018-02-25T21:37:32Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > As far as I’m concerned, patriarchy deniers belong in the same boat as holocaust deniers. > > I have no idea why this thread “appeals you”. He’s stirring the pot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-radical-feminism/789440.md?page=6)