# About that "end of democracy" talk **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 28, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796 "2021-12-28T17:30:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/61 "2022-01-03T00:50:35Z")
So no cite. Unsurprising. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/62 "2022-01-03T00:51:25Z")
> **[Analysis | The GOP’s increasingly blunt argument: It needs voting...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/14/gops-increasingly-blunt-argument-it-needs-voting-restrictions-win/)** > > It's something that cropped up before, when the GOP focused on voter ID. But while those were considered faux pas, it's hit the mainstream thanks to high-profile Republicans. Key quote: "It’s done for one reason and one reason only,” Greer told the Palm Beach Post, before saying that Republicans essentially believed, “we’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/63 "2022-01-03T00:52:11Z")
“The next month, Georgia House Speaker David Ralston (R) said the expanded mail balloting in his state “will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives.”” And “Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) said much the same on Fox on Nov. 30: “If we accept this universal mail-out balloting to people who didn’t even request ballots, I don’t think Republicans will ever win another national election again.”” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/64 "2022-01-03T00:52:53Z")
That’s an OPINION piece. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/65 "2022-01-03T00:53:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Cite for that part. iiandyiiii says he “thinks” something and you ask for a cite to prove that’s his thought?! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/66 "2022-01-03T00:53:48Z")
I provided multiple quotes showing that multiple Republicans in office believe they need to make voting harder in order to win elections. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/67 "2022-01-03T00:54:32Z")
I made a claim about the beliefs of Republicans in office, and supported that claim with multiple quotes from Republican officials. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/68 "2022-01-03T00:56:14Z")
See, here’s the rub. I’m really not interested in what he _thinks_. Factual answers, on a board allegedly dedicated to fighting ignorance, are better. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/69 "2022-01-03T00:59:57Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > In addition to people voting on behalf of dead relatives, there are also cases of non-citizens voting because “they didn’t know” they were ineligible, and people voting in two locations in the same election, such as at home, and in another state while at university, or at their home address and again near their workplace. And I challenge you to find any evidence where this happened enough to even come _close_ to changing the results of an election, never mind actually doing so. There has been not one iota of this reported, not for the presidential election, not for any senatorial election, not for any house election, no governorship, hell, not even any of the myriad state legislative body elections out there. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/70 "2022-01-03T01:02:18Z")
It happened it a local county election, as I’ve said. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/71 "2022-01-03T01:06:43Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It happened it a local county election, as I’ve said. - How many voters and what was the final count and margin? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/72 "2022-01-03T01:10:07Z")
I provided several quotes from Republican officials. It’s a fact that multiple Republicans said these things that supported by assertion. You asked for a cite and I provided it, facts included. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/73 "2022-01-03T01:13:18Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It happened it a local county election, as I’ve said. As you said but still no cite. _Where?_ ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/74 "2022-01-03T01:16:27Z")
Again, I’m not telling Dopers (did I get that right) where I live. It’s local. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/75 "2022-01-03T01:19:09Z")
Then it’s worthless as a reference or support for an argument. As opposed to my supporting my argument with a cite that showed several Republican officials quoted as saying what I asserted they believed. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/76 "2022-01-03T01:19:33Z")
In other words, “My dad works for Nintendo and has a copy of Super Mario 4 but I can’t show you or he’ll lose his job.” ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/77 "2022-01-03T01:20:41Z")
“I got a girlfriend but she lives in Canada. I won’t tell you where because you’ll just steal her.” Trust me, hunting you down is not worth the trouble. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/78 "2022-01-03T01:33:33Z")
That wasn’t a cite. It was a link to an opinion piece. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/79 "2022-01-03T01:36:50Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > That wasn’t a cite. It was a link to an opinion piece. - That quoted several prominent Republicans who stated that their beliefs are driving their actual legislative decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/80 "2022-01-03T01:38:14Z")
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