# About that "end of democracy" talk **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 28, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796 "2021-12-28T17:30:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/81 "2022-01-03T01:48:00Z")
I cited an opinion piece that nonetheless contained multiple relevant facts - exact quotes from multiple Republican officials that support my assertion. You’re continuing to ignore these facts. I’m not sure why - you asked for a cite for my assertion, and I, in good faith, linked to a piece with multiple supporting facts. Why are you unwilling to consider these supporting facts that I provided? It’s a fact that multiple Republican officials said these things. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/82 "2022-01-03T02:24:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s a fact that multiple Republican officials said these things. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pWdd6_ZxX8c/hqdefault.jpg "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/83 "2022-01-03T04:15:15Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I cited an opinion piece that nonetheless contained multiple relevant facts - exact quotes from multiple Republican officials that support my assertion. So why not just link to the quotes, then? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/84 "2022-01-03T04:38:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So why not just link to the quotes, then? He linked to the quotes. Are you okay? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/85 "2022-01-03T04:42:51Z")
Do you guys really think he doesn’t know? This is his game to engage you in endless nonsensical circles. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/86 "2022-01-03T04:51:35Z")
No, he linked to someone else’s opinion. If the quotes were so compelling, why not link to them directly? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/87 "2022-01-03T05:02:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If the quotes were so compelling, why not link to them directly? Fine, have it your way. “The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants. > **[Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new...](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/state/2012/11/27/former-florida-gop-leaders-say/7935286007/)** > > A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, forme… “The things they had in there were crazy,” Trump said. “They had things — levels of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” > **[Analysis | Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/)** > > Democrats “had levels of voting” in their stimulus proposal, Trump said, “that if you ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again.” Ralston’s original comments riled civil rights groups who said he was opposing voting access to benefit his political party’s candidates. He had said in an interview that heavy reliance on voting by mail “will be extremely devastating to Republicans and conservatives.” > **[Ralston explains comments on Georgia turnout and absentee voting](https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ralston-says-his-concern-that-mail-vote-hurts-gop-about-fraud/xFLO67sQd34eiFKu1yqWuM/)** > > Georgia House Speaker David Ralston says he opposes widespread voting by mail because it could lead to fraud, not because it would improve turnout. “If Republicans don’t challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again,” Graham said Sunday on Fox News Channel. > **[Analysis | Lindsey Graham’s curious and conspiratorial argument for why Trump...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/09/lindsey-grahams-curious-conspiratorial-argument-why-trump-should-fight-election-results/)** > > “If Republicans don’t challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again," Graham said Sunday. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton claimed if it hadn’t been for state leadership blocking counties from sending out mass mail-in ballots, former President Donald Trump would have lost the Lone Star State in 2020… “We would’ve been in the same boat. We would’ve been one of those battleground states that were counting votes in Harris County for three days, and Donald Trump would’ve lost the election,” Paxton said on Steve Bannon’s _War Room_ on Friday. > **[Texas attorney general credits Trump's state victory in decision to block...](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1171998/texas-attorney-general-credits-trumps-state-victory-in-decision-to-block-counties-from-sending-out-illegal-mail-in-ballots/)** > > Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton claimed if it hadn’t been for state leadership blocking counties from sending out mass mail-in ballots, former President Donald Trump would have lost the Lone Star State in 2020. Paxton, a Republican who spearheaded... > ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/88 "2022-01-03T05:12:56Z")
Really, with the Twit nonsense? Does no one believe in original sources any longer? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/89 "2022-01-03T05:17:55Z")
Stop this nonsense and admit you don’t want to acknowledge the validity of the quotes instead of just dancing around and pretending the sources aren’t good enough for you. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/90 "2022-01-03T05:19:57Z")
You must realize that twitface isn’t a legitimate source for, well, anything. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/91 "2022-01-03T05:20:17Z")
And your issue with the other five sources in my post is…? If you don’t like Twitter, I can provide you with several more cites for Finchem’s quote. > **[Post: When voter suppressionists say the quiet part out](http://www.selectsmart.com/post/index.html?article=278)** > > When voter suppressionists say the quiet part out by Curt Anderson ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/92 "2022-01-03T05:21:58Z")
Would you consider yourself to be a legitimate source for your crooked election tale? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/93 "2022-01-03T05:22:48Z")
Two of them were labeled “analysis”, which is, by definition, opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/94 "2022-01-03T05:25:18Z")
And what in the blue fuck does that have to do with the validity of the quotes? Are you going to claim it’s the author’s opinion that those people said the things attributed to them? That’s not how journalism works. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/95 "2022-01-03T05:27:01Z")
A message board is not a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/96 "2022-01-03T05:29:09Z")
How about an audio recording of Trump saying the words with his own mouth? Is that a cite? > > **[Analysis | Trump just comes out and says it: The GOP is hurt when it’s easier...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2)** > > Democrats “had levels of voting” in their stimulus proposal, Trump said, “that if you ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again.” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/97 "2022-01-03T05:30:22Z")
More twitface? No. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/98 "2022-01-03T05:31:21Z")
Are you claiming that Donald Trump did not say the words he is recorded saying in the video embedded in that tweet? ETA: What’s that? No rapid-fire response? I thought as much. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/99 "2022-01-03T05:36:47Z")
In my personal opinion, mature adults don’t “tweet”. It’s well beyond silly. If that’s your thing, have at it. I will not. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/100 "2022-01-03T05:37:39Z")
Your personal opinion is noted. Did Trump (who, incidentally, was an avid Twitter user for 11 years) say the words he said in that video, or didn’t he? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796.md?page=6)