# About the Drunken Noah comment
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252
**Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports
**Created:** [August 4, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252 "2009-08-04T03:14:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@rubintheartist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rubintheartist)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/1 "2009-08-04T03:14:13Z")
There are all togeher too many superstitions and legends rather than actual fact in most histories and comments about the Biblical Noah and his family. Finding the factual details seems altogether impossible but one thing is true and There’s a great place to start, archeology. Mesopotamian and early Persian artifacts depict Noah as early as 7,000 B.C.E. He is the male figure portion of ancient winged bulls and a much repeated statue (over several thousands of years) of a standing man. Both depict Noah with a tall hat, a beard, long curled hair and wearing a long coat with a daisy like flower on each sleeve’s cuff. He is always good luck and protection and often defined as the father of mankind. Around 3,000 B.C.E. after the first invasion by the As-Syrians he is worshipped as a God by the invaders and seen as the foe of Baal. His name changes many times as history continues forward from that time.
It is obvious that Noah’s third son Ham had a socio-pathic nature as far too many legends and recordings such as the Hebrew Torah say as much. We may fully assume that well recorded both in Mesopotamia and by Jewish scholars all first born men in the lineage of Adam’s third son Seth wrote a history of their lives. They carried the 6 laws of Adam down to Noah who added one more law. Those Noahide laws are still in existance today which confirms a fact that Noah and his son’s existed. If the Rabbis who still hold private the actual scroll books which Abraham had in his posession we will not be able to learn anything more than the tidbits Moses included in Torah. Other information may have come from leaks or plain imaginative mythologies.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/2 "2009-08-04T03:58:26Z")
> [@rubintheartist](#):
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> Finding the factual details seems altogether impossible but one thing is true and There’s a great place to start, archeology. Mesopotamian and early Persian artifacts depict Noah as early as 7,000 B.C.E. He is the male figure portion of ancient winged bulls and a much repeated statue (over several thousands of years) of a standing man.
Cite?
ETA: Meaning, why are we supposed to believe that such a depiction is one of the Biblical Noah?
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### Author:  [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/3 "2009-08-04T07:47:59Z")
An honest question: How do you know that the depictions of a man from 7000 BCE were Noah when writing wasn’t invented until, at the absolute earliest, 3,000 years later?
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### Author:  [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/4 "2009-08-04T10:58:20Z")
Hello **rubintheartist**. Just FYI, it is considered a courtesy to link to the article you are discussing so everyone can play along. Is this it: [What’s up with the biblical story of drunken Noah? (Part 2) - The Straight Dope](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2194/whats-up-with-the-biblical-story-of-drunken-noah-part-2)
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### Author:  [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/5 "2009-08-04T19:36:05Z")
> [@Khadaji](#):
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> Hello **rubintheartist**. Just FYI, it is considered a courtesy to link to the article you are discussing
Also FYI it’s courtesy to answer questions about any claims in your OP.
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### Author:  [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/6 "2009-08-04T19:39:52Z")
**rubintheartist** said:
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> We may fully assume that well recorded both in Mesopotamia and by Jewish scholars all first born men in the lineage of Adam’s third son Seth wrote a history of their lives.
Assume?
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> They carried the 6 laws of Adam down to Noah who added one more law. Those Noahide laws are still in existance today which confirms a fact that Noah and his son’s existed.
They prove no such thing.
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> If the Rabbis who still hold private the actual scroll books which Abraham had in his posession we will not be able to learn anything more than the tidbits Moses included in Torah.
That’s news to me. Cite?
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### Author:  [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/7 "2009-08-04T20:28:51Z")
I think I had a Noahide sofa once. Very comfortable, but the dog chewed through the arm.
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### Author:  [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2009, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/8 "2009-08-05T11:34:41Z")
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> They carried the 6 laws of Adam down to Noah who added one more law. Those Noahide laws are still in existance today which confirms a fact that Noah and his son’s existed.
“My pet parakeet killed a bear under this tree, and as proof, here’s the tree.”
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/9 "2009-08-05T12:38:33Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#):
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> “My pet parakeet killed a bear under this tree, and as proof, here’s the tree.”
Brilliant!
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### Author:  [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/10 "2009-08-05T13:05:20Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#):
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> “My pet parakeet killed a bear under this tree, and as proof, here’s the tree.”
That’s also proof that cuttlebones should be restricted (they’re used for beak-sharpening).
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### Author:  [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/11 "2009-08-05T14:22:56Z")
> [@Sailboat](#):
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> That’s also proof that cuttlebones should be restricted (they’re used for beak-sharpening).
Maybe **Colibri** could back me up on this, but actually cuttlebone is a mineral (calcium) source. The side that the bird ingests is actually very soft.
From [Wiki:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuttlebone)
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> Today, cuttlebones are commonly used as calcium-rich dietary supplements for caged birds, chinchillas, hermit crabs, and turtles.[3]
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Mondegreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Mondegreen)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/12 "2009-08-06T00:05:28Z")
> [@rubintheartist](#):
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> Finding the factual details seems altogether impossible …
Well, you said it.
Finding the factual details about unicorns also seems altogether impossible.
Perhaps the reasons are not entirely unconnected.
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### Author:  [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/13 "2009-08-12T07:38:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#):
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> I think I had a Noahide sofa once. Very comfortable, but the dog chewed through the arm.
I had a Noahide couch, too. Took over a 150 little Noahs to get that much hide.
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### Author:  [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/14 "2009-08-12T12:18:33Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#):
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> I had a Noahide couch, too. Took over a 150 little Noahs to get that much hide.
Enough! Noah moah!
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### Author:  [@pmwgreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pmwgreen)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/15 "2009-08-12T13:38:48Z")
Enough speculation! I for one call on the Rabbis to release the original vault copies of the long form scroll books so we can finally learn the truth!
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### Author:  [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/16 "2009-08-12T21:05:59Z")
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Voopa … Voopa … Voopa …
Ding!
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\*\*Noah! \*\* I want you to build an Ark …
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### Author:  [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/17 "2009-08-12T22:53:33Z")
“I’m working on a speedboat at the moment. It’s much more exciting, a bigger engine in a speedboat, and you can shoot across the water like that…”
“No, Noah, I want an Ark; an Ark with a big room for poo.”
“Look, a speedboat would really kick ass, it will give great photos to the people in The Bible. We can get all the animals with long ears to sit along the side… it’d be fucking excellent! Excellent photographs!”
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### Author:  [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/18 "2009-08-12T23:08:44Z")
> [@Duckster](#):
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> Voopa … Voopa … Voopa …
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> Ding!
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> \*\*Noah! \*\* I want you to build an Ark …
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhht…
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### Author:  [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)
#### Post date: [August 13, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/19 "2009-08-13T04:14:26Z")
> [@Duckster](#):
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> Voopa … Voopa … Voopa …
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> Ding!
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> \*\*Noah! \*\* I want you to build an Ark …
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> [@DZedNConfused](#):
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> Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhht…
Noah?
Yes, God?
How long can you tread water?
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### Author:  [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)
#### Post date: [August 13, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-the-drunken-noah-comment/505252/20 "2009-08-13T04:20:47Z")
What’s an Ark?
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