Say, how come Lincoln gets to be on both the penny and the five dollar bill? A little much don’t you think? How come John Adams, or maybe James Madison doesn’t get a turn on the currency?
Carrot cake, now that’s good cake. You want something yummy, you try some carrot cake. Just a tip from your old Uncle spoke-.
Gosh, did you all sleep through history class or what?! Everybody knows it was George Washington who used an axe to chop his father’s cherry PIE not CAKE! Lincoln was born in a cheese log cabin.
I love you guys. 
Was he the one who believed he was Napoleon and invaded Russia?
Judging from the beard, he also thought he was Amish…
Spoke, it makes perfect sense. See, back when Lincoln was president, you could get a piece of cake for a penny, but now, with inflation and sales tax, it’ll cost you five dollars. When the price went up, they decided to honor Lincoln like that, who, as you know, is most famous for giving out free cake.
[Abraham Lincoln]
Four score and seven hours ago, our illustrious chefs brought forth upon this continent, a mighty cake, conceived in a Liberty[sup]TM[/sup] oven, and dedicated to the proposition that all men love dessert.
Now we are engaged in a great banquet, testing whether that cake, or any cake so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met in a great dining room hall. We have come to dedicate a portion of that hall, as a final resting place for this cake, which will subsume its existence so that others may live and gain weight. It is altogether fitting and proper that we do this.
But in a larger sense, we can not dedicate–we can not consecrate–we can not hallow this hall. The mighty cake, chocolate lapped in vanilla frosting, has consecrated it far beyond our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what we ate here. It is for us the diners of the world, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which this cake has fed have thus far nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us–that from this noble dessert we take increaed devotion to that cause for which it gave its last full measure of devotion–that we here highly resolve that this cake shall not have been eaten in vain–that this dining hall, under Ben & Jerry and Betty Crocker, shall have a new birth of dessert–and that these cakes for the people, by the people, of the people, shall not perish from the earth.
[/Abraham Lincoln]
“You can eat some of the cake all of the time, and all of the cake some of the time, but you cannot eat all of the cake all of the time.”
-from Abraham Lincoln's one-man show, in which he played James Whitmore“Abraham Lincoln was born in a log cabin he built with his own hands.” (Quayle)
Obviously the correct quote is:
“Abraham Lincoln was born in a cake he baked with his own hands.”
I was hardly relying on people to read my mind. As I stated, I just didn’t have the immediate time to actually post my points. I will tell you that I’ve been reading the various comments and I have no regrets about starting this thread. It’s amazing how many instances people can find to relate ole Abe to cake. Forgive me for assuming that starting a thread in “great debates” would spark an actual debate.
Oh, and for whoever said that Lincoln’s idea to free the slaves was a good one, let me say that it wasn’t his idea nor did he desire for slaves to be freed.
There, all you cake supporters are now in an excellent position to sabotage my thoughts. Enjoy yourselves.
This thread has reminded me of my Smurfs-comics-reading youth. Oh, sorry, I meant that this cake has caked me of my cake-comics-caking cake.
philsGT500:
Listen carefully if you want to be successful here, or in any serious debate.
It is the job of the debate starter to provide the arguement. You don’t get to save all your wit and wisdom to bring up after we have walked into your clever rhetorical trap. If you don’t have the time to write up all your points, don’t start a thread. Instead, open a Word document and, as time permits, put together your arguement. Triple-check it for accuracy and streamline it. Then, C&P it into a “New Thread” window and post. They will love you here if you do that, and you will get intelligent, well-tohught out responses.
Now, think about this:
Do you see why some people might take offence at the idea that we are suposed to spend more time thinking about your arguement than you have? If it isn’t even worth your time (which it obviously isn’t)–then why should we think it is worth ours?
Finally, the higher your lurk/post ratio, the more you will understand what it takes to communicate effectively. ANd effective communication is what this is all about.
If you ever actually start a Great Debates thread on this, you need to be able to distinguish among various concepts such as the difference between the debate over whether or not blacks and whites are or are not (or should be or should not be) socially and politically equal, versus the debate over whether or not blacks should or should not be slaves; and between a policy in opposition to slavery advocating its immediate abolition (by force if necessary), versus a policy in opposition to slavery advocating that the institution be contained to those areas where it already existed but not allowed to spread (with the hope that eventually it could be done away with).
Reflecting on the Lincoln / cake nexus:
On the exact site of the Lincoln-Douglas debate in Freeport, Illinois now stands one of the greatest ice cream parlors in the Midwest:
Union Dairy Fountain (named in honor of Lincoln’s cause), 1252 Woodside Dr \Freeport, IL 61032 (815-233-2233)
You can get cake there, but I recommend the Pigs Dinner - a giant ice cream sundae served in a wooden trough.
What was the freaking urgency, philsGT500?? “I don’t have time to enunciate my points, but if I don’t start a thread in GD now, the kidnappers will kill my puppy!!”
If you didn’t have time to write out a proper OP, THEN WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE TIME TO WRITE OUT AN PROPER OP!!
Sua
Actually, I’m gonna side with the OP here. I think it should be obvious to anyone that the dramatic shift of dessert choice to the federal government in the Lincoln era, and its biased preference for cake, has deprived the states of much of the decision-making power intended for them by our founders. I can only imagine that if certain states had gotten their way, and continued to serve apple pie with cheddar cheese (as so eloquently expressed earlier in this thread), things would have been very different.
Did he once have a thing for Marie Antionette too? She had a lot to say about cake 
Of course, my earlier comment shouldn’t be taken as meaning that states shouldn’t be able to serve cake and ice cream rather than apple pie and cheddar cheese. That sort of local decision-making about what is best for the people of the state is the glory of federalism. The real problem is unfunded federal mandates which force states into the cake and ice cream cycle, without due regard to local wishes or resources.
MEBuckner wrote:
Yep – and in the 1866 case Ex Parte Milligan (71 U.S. 2), the U.S. Supreme Court finally said so. Though not directly.
Apparently, in Ex Parte Milligan, the the court held that only Congress could suspend habeas corpus and that civilians were not subject to military courts, even in times of war.
ObCake: cake.