# Abu Ghraib: further photos **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817 "2008-03-02T05:15:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/1 "2008-03-02T05:15:58Z")
[Abu Ghraib: further photos.](http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/02/gallery_abu_ghraib) Not much to say that has not already been said. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/2 "2008-03-02T05:19:49Z")
Is this a work-safe link? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/3 "2008-03-02T05:23:30Z")
[QUOTE=NinetyWt] Is this a work-safe link? [/QUOTE] Not for Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/4 "2008-03-02T05:25:06Z")
Photos are of naked bodies covered in blood and excrement, guys having their nads electrocuted etc. , so maybe not the sort of thing you want to share with your maiden aunt. ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/5 "2008-03-02T05:33:52Z")
Support the troops! Awesome people we have representing us over there. Oh, and why do you hate America? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/6 "2008-03-02T05:37:04Z")
wonder how the ‘no more serious than a frat prank’ crowd will spin this. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/7 "2008-03-02T05:40:30Z")
Some of the photos are _not_ new, and at least one of them shows a scene which doesn’t necessarily indicate that the corpse in the photo died because of torture. Not that I’m in anyway defending the use of torture by this misadministration. I don’t doubt that there’s other, more horrorific images out there which haven’t seen the light of day. ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/8 "2008-03-02T06:03:05Z")
I am particularly outraged by the photo of two armed men proudly displaying a mangled corpse caught in some kind of wood- and metal- machine. The one on the right is even smiling! ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/9 "2008-03-02T06:41:22Z")
Pure evil. This disgusts me to no end. What have we unleashed on the world? A torture conviction should land you a very long prison sentence. Life without the possibility of parole if one of your victims dies. I wonder what kind of time these scumbags will see. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/10 "2008-03-02T06:43:10Z")
By the way just what the hell am I looking at in photo number 2? That is sure to give me nightmares. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/11 "2008-03-02T06:53:05Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] What have we unleashed on the world? [/QUOTE] Don’t read much history do you? Nothing has been unleashed. I don’t think any of these pictures are new. Except maybe the mouse one. Not sure what the purpose of this thread is. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/12 "2008-03-02T06:55:35Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] Don’t read much history do you? Nothing has been unleashed. [/QUOTE] I’m well read in history, fuckface. We’ve unleashed a bunch of pissed off torture victims on the world. Is it really possible to deny this? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/13 "2008-03-02T07:02:25Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I’m well read in history, fuckface. We’ve unleashed a bunch of pissed off torture victims on the world. Is it really possible to deny this? [/QUOTE] No, you were were being all dramatic by saying “what have we unleashed on the world.” Very nicely put. Meaningless but nicely put. I was denying nothing. Go ahead and rend your garments over something that happened years ago and and has been hashed and rehashed here over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/14 "2008-03-02T07:04:35Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] No, you were were being all dramatic by saying “what have we unleashed on the world.” Very nicely put. Meaningless but nicely put. I was denying nothing. Go ahead and rend your garments over something that happened years ago and and has been hashed and rehashed here over and over. [/QUOTE] And you’re just rubbing your asshole all over your keyboard. Meaningless and poorly put. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/15 "2008-03-02T07:09:48Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] And you’re just rubbing your asshole all over your keyboard. Meaningless and poorly put. [/QUOTE] Now you’re just babbling. “I know you are but what am I”, would’ve come across better. Time to put down the bottle and go to sleep. You are getting overly emotional. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/16 "2008-03-02T07:19:33Z")
Are you always this much of a raging asshole? Seriously, you came in here for the sole purpose of talking shit. Fuck the fuck off, you’re off-topic. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/17 "2008-03-02T12:25:03Z")
Even more than 9-11, this stuff makes me weak on my “no to the death penalty.” These guys are soldiers. I expect more from them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/18 "2008-03-02T12:44:16Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] What have we unleashed on the world? [/QUOTE] This kind of wasn’t new when Abu Grahib was built, or when the U.S. was founded, or when Columbus set sail. That doesn’t make it right, of course, but don’t let’s be overdramatic about it. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/19 "2008-03-02T13:28:18Z")
From today’s New York Times in reference to [Bush opposing restrictions on the use of torture by the CIA](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/opinion/02sun1.html): > [@](#): > > Mr. Bush is planning to veto a law that would require the C.I.A. and all the intelligence services to abide by the restrictions on holding and interrogating prisoners contained in the United States Army Field Manual. Mr. Bush says the Army rules are too restrictive. > > What are these burdens? In addition to a blanket prohibition of torture, the manual specifically bans: > > ¶ Forcing a prisoner to be naked, perform sexual acts or pose in a sexual manner. > > ¶ Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a prisoner, and using duct tape over the eyes. > > ¶ Applying beatings, electric shocks, burns or other forms of physical pain. > > ¶ Waterboarding. > > ¶ Using military working dogs. > > ¶ Inducing hypothermia or heat injury. > > ¶ Conducting mock executions. > > ¶ Depriving a prisoner of necessary food, water or medical care. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817/20 "2008-03-02T17:11:50Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] This kind of wasn’t new when Abu Grahib was built, or when the U.S. was founded, or when Columbus set sail. That doesn’t make it right, of course, but don’t let’s be overdramatic about it. [/QUOTE] When else was there photodocumented evidence of US soldiers shocking the balls, smearing prisoners in shit, smiling next to decaying corpses, and committing various sexual and pseudosexual acts? If you can produce that then Loach was at least partially right; I am ignorant of that part of history. They didn’t teach us that in high school or college, and I’ve never read about it online or in the many history books I’ve read. And forgive me for not having my finger on the pulse of pop-gore but I’ve never seen these particular pictures before. When the story first broke I stopped looking after the naked human pyramid, which was the second or third picture in the series I saw. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abu-ghraib-further-photos/439817.md?page=2)