# Abuse Photo- Yes, No or Maybe? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 15, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362 "2010-08-15T23:05:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/1 "2010-08-15T23:05:22Z")
I’m trying to ignore the Mel Gibson / Oksana Grigorieva train wreck. Somehow I can’t help looking. 😉 They posted a photo of Oksana Grigorieva with a chipped tooth. Allegedly from a fight with Mel Gibson. I’m not so sure. How can you get punched in the mouth without bruising your lips? This woman’s lips should be all swollen. Heck a big guy like Mel could do more damage than this. The cheerful expression on her face doesn’t look like someone that just got beat up. I dunno. What’s your opinion? photo [http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/76710](http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/76710) ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/2 "2010-08-15T23:17:18Z")
Her lower lip looks swollen to me. It’s hard to tell about the upper lip, with the website name splashed over it; but then she doesn’t look happy in that picture to me, either. She looks like she’s curling her lips back so they’re not in the way of showing the cracked teeth. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/3 "2010-08-15T23:18:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m trying to ignore the Mel Gibson / Oksana Grigorieva train wreck. > Somehow I can’t help looking. 😉 You’re not succeeding. Try harder. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/4 "2010-08-15T23:19:37Z")
How in the shit am I supposed to know? I’m not an expert on what people look like after they’ve been punched in the face. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/5 "2010-08-15T23:32:04Z")
Well, the Rihanna photo was published after the Chris Brown fight. There was no question that she had been beaten. She was puffy and bruised. This Gibson photo looks like the lady chipped a tooth eating a piece of ice or hard candy. Sure we know he was verbally abusive. The tapes prove that. I’m not sure that photo shows physical damage. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/6 "2010-08-15T23:34:44Z")
I hope to never be in a position where the public has to look at the photos of my broken teeth and decide if I look “abused enough”. ---
**Author:** ![nikonikosuru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@nikonikosuru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nikonikosuru)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/7 "2010-08-15T23:37:37Z")
It looks like she lost a veneer on the tooth to the right of the chipped one. Her lips always look puffy imo like she’s had collagen injected. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/8 "2010-08-15T23:40:21Z")
People chip a tooth all the time. They’ve been saying all along she was having routine dental work done. I think her dentist even says that. Money is a big part of this case. I don’t know if she was hit or not. I’m only asking for opinions. This photo looks nothing like the Rihanna photo or other fight pictures I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/9 "2010-08-15T23:48:28Z")
We have no idea how long after the fact this photo was taken. Remember that the incidents that we’ve been hearing on audio took place last February. The photo could’ve been taken days or even weeks afterward. ---
**Author:** ![Otara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Otara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otara)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2010, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/10 "2010-08-15T23:52:58Z")
Cant view the picture or the site. Server internal error for both Chrome and IE, probably an Oz issue. People smile for pictures out of practise or because they’re told to, people get hit in the face once, people hit people in the face and find out it hurts them when they hit a tooth, people hit people in the face with less than full force to ‘teach a lesson’, etc etc. And of course sometimes people try to use other injuries or causes of damage as ‘proof’. There isnt much way you can conclude anything from a single picture unless theres obvious makeup involved or the like. Otrara ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/11 "2010-08-16T00:09:19Z")
I would have said “probably not” had that been a choice, but I can’t definitively say “no” (so I picked “maybe” as a choice). Lower lip does look puffier in the one picture compared to the other, but I see no other bruising. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/12 "2010-08-16T00:29:11Z")
Good point. If the mods are listening, could you change the poll from “No” to “Probably Not”? Please? 😉 I agree “No” is too strong a choice for a single badly lit photo. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/13 "2010-08-16T00:31:27Z")
Even if she wasn’t physically abused, after listening to that tape, I’d definitely say she qualifies for mentally, emotionally, and verbally abused. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/14 "2010-08-16T00:52:18Z")
My ex punched me in the face and knocked out my tooth. I had no bruising. I had no bleeding. I’m sure at some point the overwhelming horror of my situation caused me to just laugh about it (and I sure did cry and get angry too). I believe the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/15 "2010-08-16T01:11:37Z")
Bruising goes away on its own; chipped teeth don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/16 "2010-08-16T01:21:06Z")
My opinion is that she chipped her own tooth and was never hit, because she doesn’t look sad enough in the picture and there’s not enough inflammation for my trained eye, based on several minutes of imagining what it would be like if I knew anything about anything. And she tricked him into threatening her life on the phone, too, which proves conclusively that she was schemin’ on his wallet from the beginning, because look how much he must have loved her if he was willing to put her in the rose garden. And my opinion is that when he said she deserved it when he hit her, that proves that it actually was her fault. I’m just kidding; it doesn’t prove it. I’m just _not so sure_. I appreciate you bringing me in on this. ---
**Author:** ![valleyofthedolls](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a4c791/32.png) [@valleyofthedolls](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/valleyofthedolls)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/17 "2010-08-16T01:25:34Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > > [@aceplace57](#): > > > > I’m trying to ignore the Mel Gibson / Oksana Grigorieva train wreck. > > Somehow I can’t help looking. 😉 > > You’re not succeeding. Try harder. ☹ Seriously. What do you get out of analyzing something like this? ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/18 "2010-08-16T04:18:11Z")
There’s no way to tell. Certainly there is physical damage. I don’t see any obvious clues from the injuries themselves as to the cause of the injury. I can definitely imagine innumerable scenarios in which one person damages the teeth of another without causing other damage. ---
**Author:** ![BleizDu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@BleizDu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BleizDu)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/19 "2010-08-16T07:32:32Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > I hope to never be in a position where the public has to look at the photos of my broken teeth and decide if I look “abused enough”. Yeah, I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2010, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362/20 "2010-08-16T07:55:09Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > My opinion is that she chipped her own tooth and was never hit, because she doesn’t look sad enough in the picture and there’s not enough inflammation for my trained eye, based on several minutes of imagining what it would be like if I knew anything about anything. > > And she tricked him into threatening her life on the phone, too, which proves conclusively that she was schemin’ on his wallet from the beginning, because look how much he must have loved her if he was willing to put her in the rose garden. And my opinion is that when he said she deserved it when he hit her, that proves that it actually was her fault. I’m just kidding; it doesn’t prove it. I’m just _not so sure_. > > I appreciate you bringing me in on this. Wait–she tricked him into threatening her life on the phone? So if she hadn’t tricked him it wouldn’t have happened? WTF? Next you’re gonna tell me she really knows how to push his buttons. And you can then ask: How does she know that? Why would she want to? Could your lover trick you into making this kind of threat? On the phone or anywhere else? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/abuse-photo-yes-no-or-maybe/550362.md?page=2)