# ACA, and the bastages who run the local franchise of "Red Robin" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359 "2013-10-04T15:00:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/41 "2013-10-05T01:30:52Z")
Why is it always the ACA’s fault when employers cut hours instead of greedy asshole employers’ fault? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/42 "2013-10-05T01:58:09Z")
Because people are looking to blame it on “ObamaCare” one way or the other. Either it’s the worst and most insidious law in the History Of Man :rolleyes: or it’s good and the Evil Republicans are doing it just because they hate it. Nevermind that the same employment shit has been going on since the dawn of man. Now admittedly, there are people using it as an excuse for their usual bag of tricks. Those people didn’t become petty, greedy shits just because the law passed. They were made of such things long before. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/43 "2013-10-05T02:17:02Z")
They’re the job providers. And the risk takers, things go wrong, they might have to give up that cozy summer cottage in the Hamptons and let some staff go. The poor and working class don’t realize what crushing setbacks these can be, just as personally devastating as trying to decide which of your kids gets new shoes for school this year. Really, its a all a matter of perspective. Not even about rights and wrongs, just rights. They got 'em and you are there to earn them. Often, the left fails to understand the deep personal sacrifices such men face. We might try to be a little more empathetic, and accepting. “There, but for the grace of Mammon, go I.” I would applaud and admire such virtuous conduct, so long as I am not expected to emulate. I am not that good a person, and too lazy to get any better. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/44 "2013-10-05T02:51:55Z")
Have things changed so much that people who work at a restaurant expect to get full time hours, not to mention benefits? Back in the Ice Age when I worked in fast food/restaurants we never got either. Is waitering at Red Robin another one of those jobs that people think you should be able to raise a family on? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/45 "2013-10-05T03:01:49Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > Ten years ago I had a boss tell me I had to be available 7 days a week, I could not have the same day off each week for school. I wonder if irregular hours are more a barrier to upward mobility than the low wages. I was able to work 70 hours per week and pull in ~$25k/year, on which I did very well. But I couldn’t have done that if I had been constantly on call for a 25 hour job. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/46 "2013-10-05T03:04:31Z")
_grabs popcorn_ Hey, guys! **Curlcoat** ’s Damn Moochers Theater is about to start again! Grab a seat! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/47 "2013-10-05T03:12:10Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > _grabs popcorn_ > Hey, guys! **Curlcoat** ’s Damn Moochers Theater is about to start again! Grab a seat! Dafuq? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/48 "2013-10-05T03:12:50Z")
Da trut’. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/49 "2013-10-05T07:28:58Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > :smack: > > I know the term, but I’ve never seen it in an acronym. Same here. I don’t know why it’s so difficult to write out the acronym on first reference. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/50 "2013-10-05T07:45:06Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > [Interestingly](https://www.google.com/search?q=NGUA&rlz=1C1EODB_enUS529US530&oq=NGUA&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&espvd=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8), a NGUA seems to be a type of horse. Nifty. From that search, it actually appears to be the Vietnamese word for ‘horse’. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/51 "2013-10-05T10:20:43Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > From that search, it actually appears to be the Vietnamese word for ‘horse’. Correct: Nga. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/52 "2013-10-05T11:07:08Z")
… Is it pronounced “nay”? ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/53 "2013-10-05T11:12:59Z")
Dammit. Tapatalk ate my lunch again. Ngựa ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/54 "2013-10-05T11:13:26Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Have things changed so much that people who work at a restaurant expect to get full time hours, not to mention benefits? Back in the Ice Age when I worked in fast food/restaurants we never got either. I got those back in 1978-79 when I waited tables at Spires. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/55 "2013-10-05T12:31:43Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/56 "2013-10-05T13:30:23Z")
> [@aNewLeaf](#): > > It wasn’t overlooked, it’s part of the process. Companies think they can save money this way. But it takes quality workers to make a profit, you really can’t run a good store if you have high employee turnover. So sooner or later one chain will start re-hiring at full time hours and with benefits, and once they do other places will match them to try to keep up. Of course there’s a downside: wages will stay flat for a while. But even that will bubble up through the process and we’ll come out of this (ACA) better off than we were going in. (Is my sincere opinion.) Yes, this is what will most likely happen I think. Employers compete for good labor, even at the lowest end there are genuine costs to only hiring the worst employees. Policies like described in this thread guarantee you’ll only be hiring the worst employees. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/57 "2013-10-05T14:08:58Z")
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I am not remotely interested in going to a restaurant in which the servers that are preparing and delivering my food do not have health insurance, and are therefore at work when they really should be seeing a doctor about that nagging cough. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/58 "2013-10-05T14:20:02Z")
I think people here are severely overestimating the difference between good, valued employees and new idiots who have just come in off the street, from the point of view of these corporations. I have worked for companies where nearly every employee had to have a minimum of a four-year college degree just to get in the door. These were people that were far harder to replace than a high-schooler dishwasher. And they were still treated as disposable, interchangeable cogs by management. The fact is, any workforce is going to have a percentage of idiots, a percentage of hard-working, responsible stars, and a smattering of people in between. I suspect that corporate management feels that these proportions tend to stay pretty much the same regardless of how hard they work to retain people, so they might as well just go for the easy route. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/59 "2013-10-05T14:31:50Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Have things changed so much that people who work at a restaurant expect to get full time hours, not to mention benefits? Back in the Ice Age when I worked in fast food/restaurants we never got either. Is waitering at Red Robin another one of those jobs that people think you should be able to raise a family on? People want to say this is an insensitive thing to say, but it’s dead-on accurate. The economy demands certain jobs that are to be performed by teenagers or second incomes in a marriage and do not command a wage that supports a family of four with healthcare benefits. In a perfect world, we would all have fulfilling careers that pay well and let us living in nice houses, but some JOBS just aren’t worth that. I think Obamacare will have a wonderful unintended consequence of divorcing health care from employment. I would love the freedom to switch jobs or start my own business without having to worry that I won’t be able to keep health insurance. But the fundamental problem with the law is that it recognized the problem with the system is that many healthy 20 somethings are opting out because it doesn’t seem like a good deal to them. So the law increases the price (in some cases drastically) and expects those same 20 somethings to buy into it because of the mandate. It will be learned quickly to increase deductions so that these tax penalties can’t be enforced. More 20 somethings will opt out. Rinse and repeat. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359/60 "2013-10-05T16:12:05Z")
[Wal-Mart reverses its position and returns 35,000 workers to full time status, because sales have dropped since they cut full time workers to avoid ACA, and customer satisfaction with the company is the worst in the industry.](http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/09/25/wal-mart-returning-to-full-time-workers-obamacare-not-such-a-job-killer-after-all/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aca-and-the-bastages-who-run-the-local-franchise-of-red-robin/670359.md?page=4)