# Accidentally or deliberately self-referential shows **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851 "2006-10-09T23:02:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/1 "2006-10-09T23:02:57Z")
I’m thinking this must have actually happened somewhere and I’ve just missed it. Are there any examples of shows (TV series, movies, whatever) that have made clear references to themselves within the show itself - either accidentally, or on purpose. Hypothetical example of what I’m looking for: Chandler Bings is sitting reading his TV guide; on the cover, there’s a picture of David Schwimmer, or worse, a headline mentioning iFriends\*. Has that sort of thing ever happened anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/2 "2006-10-09T23:12:37Z")
“Boston Legal” has had a lot of lines in which the characters refer to themselves or their circumstances in a way that makes it appear that the characters know that they are characters in a television series. Once, William Shatner’s character on “Boston Legal” had a fiancee who wanted him to move to Hawaii. He responded by saying “What am I supposed to do, beam myself to Boston every morning?” (A rather obvious nod to Shatner’s role in “Star Trek.”) ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/3 "2006-10-09T23:22:49Z")
Andy Travis once said on _WKRP_ that he’d “gotten kinda tired, packing and unpacking, town to town up and down the dial.” Which are of course lyrics from the WKRP theme song. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/4 "2006-10-09T23:41:47Z")
On Roseanne, there is one episode where Mark leaves Becky and lives with a friend in an apartment for a few days. The friend has satellite TV, which Dan salivates over. Over the closing credits, Dan is watching an episode of Roseanne dubbed in Spanish. Also from Roseanne, there’s a cameo by Luke and Laura from some soap opera, and the Conners make comments like “It seems something new happens to us about every week! And then it happens again in the summer!” There were more, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/5 "2006-10-09T23:58:13Z")
When cancellation seemed inevitable, Arrested Development had a couple of references about how they were doomed and looking to HBO (“House Builders Organization”) or Showtime to bail them out. And, of course there were references to [www.saveourbluths.com](http://www.saveourbluths.com) But they weren’t talking about the show as if it were a TV show exactly. It was more “nudge nudge wink wink” than that. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/6 "2006-10-10T00:03:57Z")
Arrested Development went crazy with the self-referential humor in its last year. One episode in particular mirrored the show’s ratings problems and the rumors that HBO or Showtime would pick up the show when Fox cancelled it. On the show, the characters wonder if the Home Builders Organization will help their company, and then decide “It’s showtime”- they need to put on a revue to get the backers interested. Michael Bluth, meanwhile, obsesses over whether or not the family is too selfish and unlikeable - maybe they aren’t “relatable.” They also parody celebrity guest appearances by having Andy Richter appear, playing himself - and his four identical quintuplets. There’s also a fake “live broadcast,” ending, and near the end of the episode, the narrator flat-out says “Please tell your friends about this show.” There are tons more, but I hope that’s representative. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/7 "2006-10-10T00:04:22Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] On Roseanne, there is one episode where Mark leaves Becky and lives with a friend in an apartment for a few days. The friend has satellite TV, which Dan salivates over. Over the closing credits, Dan is watching an episode of Roseanne dubbed in Spanish. Also from Roseanne, there’s a cameo by Luke and Laura from some soap opera, and the Conners make comments like “It seems something new happens to us about every week! And then it happens again in the summer!” There were more, I’m sure. [/QUOTE] One more on Roseanne…they replaced the actress who played Becky, and at the end of the first episode that the new Becky was in, the family was sitting around watching Bewitched. All of the rest of the family was was talking about how terrible it was that Bewitched replaced Darren, but Becky points out that she likes the new Darrin better. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/8 "2006-10-10T00:05:54Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] But they weren’t talking about the show as if it were a TV show exactly. It was more “nudge nudge wink wink” than that. [/QUOTE] Okay, fair enough. But let’s not forget Rita’s line about the average American male being in a state of Arrested Development, whereupon the narrator exclaims “Hey, that’s the name of this show!” ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/9 "2006-10-10T00:13:30Z")
_Green Acres_ used to have fun with this a lot: like Lisa finding the opening credits on her hotscakes. “Vould you like a ‘directed by’ hotscake, dahlink?” “Why, there’s nothing written on that hotcake!” “Oh, it only shtays on long enough for his mozzer to read it.” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/10 "2006-10-10T00:13:52Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Okay, fair enough. But let’s not forget Rita’s line about the average American male being in a state of Arrested Development, whereupon the narrator exclaims “Hey, that’s the name of this show!” [/QUOTE] Oh, right! I’d forgotten about that one! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/11 "2006-10-10T00:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] One more on Roseanne…they replaced the actress who played Becky, and at the end of the first episode that the new Becky was in, the family was sitting around watching Bewitched. All of the rest of the family was was talking about how terrible it was that Bewitched replaced Darren, but Becky points out that she likes the new Darrin better. [/QUOTE] Ah, yes. Also, on the episode they went to Disney World, Roseanne looked at Becky and said “Aren’t you glad you’re here this week?” When the original actress who played Becky made her return after a couple seasons, Darlene’s first words to her were “Where the hell have YOU been?” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/12 "2006-10-10T00:20:53Z")
[QUOTE=Garfield226] Ah, yes. Also, on the episode they went to Disney World, Roseanne looked at Becky and said “Aren’t you glad you’re here this week?” When the original actress who played Becky made her return after a couple seasons, Darlene’s first words to her were “Where the hell have YOU been?” [/QUOTE] Didn’t she also once tell the second Becky “You can be replaced, you know!” or something close to that? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/13 "2006-10-10T00:44:22Z")
ST:TNG had an incident that comes close. It’s one of the Moriarty episodes, where he’s taken over the ship. Since he’s left the holodeck, he now wants to explore the universe in a shuttlecraft. The crew trick him into accepting a holographic shuttlecraft, and save his program into a box. Picard makes a remark about how the Enterprise and all her crew might just be holograms in a box on someone’s table… ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/14 "2006-10-10T00:44:35Z")
In “Rememberance of the Daleks,” Dr. Who leaves the room just as the TV goes into the intro to the first episode of **Doctor Who**. There was the double reference in **Third Rock from the Sun** where guest star William Shatner mentions seeing a strange creature on the wing of his airplane. John Lithgow says “You too?” Lithgow was in the remake of the old **Twilight Zone** episode with Shatner and with that plot. More **Green Acres** : Oliver and Lisa go to Washington to meet their congressman. Lisa asks him, “What actor are you? All congressmen are actors these days.” And actor Lyle Talbot\* says, “Lyle Talbot.” On the 100th episode of **Designing Women** , someone in the cast said something like, “I feel like we’ve done this 100 times.” \*The best actor in **Plan 9 from Outer Space**. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/15 "2006-10-10T00:45:12Z")
The most self-referential moment in history has to belong to the short-lived sitcom _I Married Dora._ In the final episode, the husband prepares to board a flight for a two-year job overseas. Moments later, he gets off the plane. “It’s been canceled.” “The flight?” “No, our series.” And with that, the cameras pulled back, showing the cast on the set waving goodbye to the studio audience. For sustained self-reference, I’d go with the old _Burns and Allen_ show which often featured George Burns sitting in front of his TV, making comments about that episode’s plot. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/16 "2006-10-10T01:12:31Z")
[QUOTE=RealityChuck] On the 100th episode of **Designing Women** , someone in the cast said something like, “I feel like we’ve done this 100 times.” [/QUOTE] The Simpsons did something similar for their 300th or 302nd episode. Lisa said something about how it feels like there’ve been wacky hijinks in the family 300 times and Marge says something about how it feels like 302. Referencing debate over whether two holiday specials counted as episodes for the series episode count. The Simpsons do this sort of thing a lot. Like at Apu’s wedding, Bart wishes he had an elephant and Lisa reminds him about Stampy. And if there had been an episode involving jockey elves, then it probably would have included a reference to how Lisa had previouly owned a pony. ---
**Author:** ![Sonia\_Montdore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Sonia\_Montdore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sonia_Montdore)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/accidentally-or-deliberately-self-referential-shows/375851/17 "2006-10-10T01:24:21Z")
_Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ used to air on Tuesday nights. In one episode, the character, Dawn, who has a habit of getting into trouble, is abducted. On learning this, Buffy sighs, “Dawn’s in trouble. Must be Tuesday.” ---
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The end of \*Newhart, \*where he wakes up in his bed on the Bob \*Newhart Show \* next to his wife. It’s not quite self-referential, but it’s not quite anything else either. ---
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In an episode of “House”, Dr. Cuddy complains (paraphrasing): “Twenty-two times a year you come storming into my office wanting to do something crazy to a patient!” ---
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