# According to Christian theology, will a twice-married person be with BOTH spouses in Heaven? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 26, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819 "2011-10-26T03:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/81 "2011-11-02T11:54:30Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > If the Holy Spirit was the father of Jesus, then he would not be related to David, or (any of the linage of Solomon),Matthew takes the linage through Joesph. So, if that is true then Jesus was not related to either. Only Mary’s line. David was related in that line to Adam, also son of God. [QUOTE=Luke 3] 31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, \*\* the son of David,\*\* … 37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel, the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh, the son of Seth\*\*, the son of Adam, the son of God. \*\* [/QUOTE] Bold mine ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/82 "2011-11-02T12:05:38Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Very simple, God will make a new one for us: > [New Earth (Christianity) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Earth) > > It helps when your daddy is the creator of the universe. 🙂 The heavens were also to be destroyed, so the new earth would mean that people would not be going to a heaven, but to another place, It is another Biblical contradiction. The person who wrote this is no nore believable then some of todays prophets! Your Daddy it seems to me is not a very nice Daddy, he loves to play cruel games with some of his children, but with people like David he just smiles and lets him start all over again. A human father would be put in jail if they Killed or maimed some of his children,who he didn’t let know he was their father. Such a being would be no better than the Satan that some people describe! ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/83 "2011-11-02T12:13:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes! the same, unfaithfulness is spiritual adultery as shown is Esra 9-10 where God told a whole tribe of Israel to divorce their wives because those wives were with other gods - that is the unfaithfulness spoken of - unfaithfulness towards God. > > Love is a living and guiding spirit, as Love is God, do you follow God, if so you have to follow Love, it is not a blind path, it is very intelligent and will not lead you wrong ever. This is trusting in God, as God is Love. > > God did give the law (through angels) but as a mediator (see Job 1 and 2 as God meditated between Satan and Job) - that’s what the law is, Satan’s wants for humanity but mediated by God (to make it less harsh), and God only allows the law because He knew that Jesus would make the way of grace. > > Jesus took away the sting of the Law, and nailed the law to a tree (both scriptural) > > Again I point you to Esra 9 and 10, where God commands divorce, the wives had no intention of leaving. It was God’s people who had to initiate and carry through with the divorce. > > If you understand this profound mystery: > You would not have stated that in the context you did, if you don’t understand that profound mystery then your statement is false, marriage is not clearly defined to you. That one statement defines marriage more then most every other scriptural passage about marriage except Gen 2 It seems to me that you have a religion of your own,and your own theology,On one hand you state you are not Christian, then on another you follow a Christian and Jewish Book, but translate it to meet your own ideas. If it helps you to live a better life I see no wrong in it, but since you cannot prove any of it, it still remins just one person’s belief and to me it is no different than believing in Gnomes or other creatures, nor is it any different than believing that Muhammad had a book dictated from God through an angel. As for telling some one else that they don’t understand your profound mystery,maybe they understand better than you? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/84 "2011-11-02T12:16:18Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > There is proof that everything ever written was written by a human being. Where did you get this from? You are making assumptions or using a method of deduction that makes assumptions, you should state your method, because this by default a unknowable in the affirmative. And almost certainly a false statement. > [@](#): > > Even the believers aren’t sure, but they do credit some to Moses, and some to other people. They Just believe it was inspired by God. The onus is on you to prove God wrote it, inspired it etc.. No you made a unsupportable statement, that everything ever written was written by a human being. > [@](#): > > Could your Satan fooled people into thinking, God said or did something.? For a time, but even Job figured it out. > [@](#): > > It makes no sense to me that a supreme being would act as your God is supposed to act. He kills a whole town of people because they are immoral, but makes another immoral man King of his people! What town are you talking about? God saved the people of Sodom, Satan did destroy the town. I suspect you are confusing my God Lord Jesus with your god Satan. I do understand why you dislike your god, he is a monster and do give power to that belief but that is not the god I worship and adore, please don’t confuse the two again. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/85 "2011-11-03T12:34:27Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Where did you get this from? You are making assumptions or using a method of deduction that makes assumptions, you should state your method, because this by default a unknowable in the affirmative. And almost certainly a false statement. > > No you made a unsupportable statement, that everything ever written was written by a human being. > > For a time, but even Job figured it out. > > What town are you talking about? God saved the people of Sodom, Satan did destroy the town. I suspect you are confusing my God Lord Jesus with your god Satan. I do understand why you dislike your god, he is a monster and do give power to that belief but that is not the god I worship and adore, please don’t confuse the two again. Please prove one thing ever written, taught , thought or read that wasn’t written by a human, or stated by a human, that it was of God! Moses is said by some to have written Genesis, He was said to be human and all the other writers in the Bible are named. They were human beings, just like you and me. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/86 "2011-11-03T13:05:08Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Please prove one thing ever written, taught , thought or read that wasn’t written by a human, or stated by a human, that it was of God! Moses is said by some to have written Genesis, He was said to be human and all the other writers in the Bible are named. They were human beings, just like you and me. The burden of proof is on you, not me, to defend your premise. I didn’t bring up supernatural beings, just that I question your premise that everything ever written was written by humans stated as fact. Writing defined as marking something in a for later review (either by self or others) to relay intention this arguably happens in the animal word, bears will claw trees to signify their territory. In our universe, having earth as the only planet with intelligent life would almost require a god, chances are there are other civilizations which have developed writing, chances are very high. There is some evidence that has been interpreted that ancient people have been visited by aliens, and today such things as crop circles if extra terrestrial in origin do look like perhaps some form of writings. Not to even mention the spiritual, your initial premise seems to be very shaky and I dismiss it on that basis. What we can say it the scriptures were written by some unknown entity, unless we can determine the author we can not be sure the entity is human. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/87 "2011-11-04T13:19:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The burden of proof is on you, not me, to defend your premise. > > I didn’t bring up supernatural beings, just that I question your premise that everything ever written was written by humans stated as fact. > > Writing defined as marking something in a for later review (either by self or others) to relay intention this arguably happens in the animal word, bears will claw trees to signify their territory. > > In our universe, having earth as the only planet with intelligent life would almost require a god, chances are there are other civilizations which have developed writing, chances are very high. > > There is some evidence that has been interpreted that ancient people have been visited by aliens, and today such things as crop circles if extra terrestrial in origin do look like perhaps some form of writings. > > Not to even mention the spiritual, your initial premise seems to be very shaky and I dismiss it on that basis. > > What we can say it the scriptures were written by some unknown entity, unless we can determine the author we can not be sure the entity is human. That is total nonsense! What entity are you thinking of? There is proof that humans wrote everything and you are the only one I have ever heard that disputed it. You “BELIEVE” it was not a human,and you need to prove what entity wrote anything and your response shows that you don’t, so you bass the buck. Perhaps your aliens are your god? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/88 "2011-11-04T13:30:30Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > That is total nonsense! What entity are you thinking of? Doesn’t matter, any nonhuman entity will do, it discredits your statement of fact, and as I said animals already use a very primitive form of writing - thus your statement is already discredited. It appears to me that you have used a assumptive deductive technique commonly called Occam’s Razor: > **[Occam's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)** > > In philosophy, Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor; Latin: novacula Occami) is the problem-solving principle that recommends searching for explanations constructed with the smallest possible set of elements. It is also known as the principle of parsimony or the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae). Attributed to William of Ockham, a 14th-century English philosopher and theologian, it is frequently cited as Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which tra... You should state that you are using such a assumption method of reasoning when you invoke it. Particularly this one as it deselects other viable options, which is exactly your error in your false ‘statement of fact’ > [@](#): > > Perhaps your aliens are your god? or perhaps or our family. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/89 "2011-11-05T13:00:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Doesn’t matter, any nonhuman entity will do, it discredits your statement of fact, and as I said animals already use a very primitive form of writing - thus your statement is already discredited. > > It appears to me that you have used a assumptive deductive technique commonly called Occam’s Razor: > [Occam's razor - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) > > You should state that you are using such a assumption method of reasoning when you invoke it. Particularly this one as it deselects other viable options, which is exactly your error in your false ‘statement of fact’ > > or perhaps or our family. What animal has a form of writing, it is true they scratch on a tree or urinate to show territory, but I have yet to read anything on this earth to show anything, except what a human has written, read, thought, or taught. Perhaps the Bible passage that says, the son’s of God mated with the women of men, means humans came from apes and God had a lot of son’s, that would mean Jesus was not God’s only son as the NT claims. Since I think both you and I are humans, we both could be wrong. Your explainations are not anything like anyone else I have read, or heard. You have your own little way of thinking and that is your right,so if that makes you happy, then that is for you, but as for me, I have the right to doubt anything, unless there is proof. That includes if their are aliens who travel billions of miles to write something and it isn’t recorded anywhere on earth. I prefer truth to belief. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/90 "2011-11-05T19:37:01Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Writing defined as marking something in a for later review (either by self or others) to relay intention this arguably happens in the animal word, bears will claw trees to signify their territory. I would disagree that that counts. Even when we, who certainly use writing, use similar kinds of marks, say, tally marks to make a count, we don’t call that writing. I think I would define writing, at least in part, as communication on some material putting across intended ideas or concepts which are not inherent to the physical properties of the marks. If a bear claws a tree, the only meaning it has is that a bear has clawed a tree. Our posts here mean more than simply that we have created marks; they put across, and are intended to put across, arguments that encompass non-physical ideas. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/91 "2011-11-07T12:07:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The short answer is it’s the book that was given to me by God as the book I was to use and learn from. > > The longer answer is when I started to seek God, I did it through what I knew, Christianity, so from there I started, read the Bible, prayed, attended churches. From there I was being taught by God but also by men (the church people). As I studied further and God started to reveal Himself in my life more and make things clear, I started to see what was of the preacher and what was of God. > > The Word of God, through the Bible, had provided a anchor for my soul to discern truth from lies. It also revealed a parallel spiritual world that operated along side our world, but it was much more revealing and useful in understanding things in our world. > > I believe there are many text of inspired wisdom, I have seen some, Wiccan, Native American, and I know there are many more, but for me the Bible is the book of inspired wisdom that I was taught from and that God decided was to be my path. Will their be other books and sources for me? Yes there already has been, but the one you start on will be a very powerful tool and one to be referred back too over and over again. > > I don’t really consider myself a Christian because that is the religion that Paul created, it is very different then what Jesus taught. I do believe that Christianity that we have today is a mix of Grace of Christ and Jewish law that Paul was saturated with (the 2 married into on as in Eph 5:31,32), which is exactly who Paul is until Paul’s death and Jesus’ victory in over Paul. I believe the only reason we have Christianity in it’s current form today was to save Paul, that is the length that God is willing to go to to save a single person, creation of a religion that lasts 1000’s of years. You can believe it is God ,but maybe it is Satan keeping you from the truth? Jesus did say Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! Claiming things as you do,your god seems to be a bad being, and it seems a bit egotistical to claim you have a separate book from a god that is contrary to the God of others. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/92 "2011-11-07T12:10:28Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > You can believe it is God ,but maybe it is Satan keeping you from the truth? Jesus did say Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! Claiming things as you do,your god seems to be a bad being, and it seems a bit egotistical to claim you have a separate book from a god that is contrary to the God of others. As a post script. How do you know that the writers you believe in or the being you consider your God is the true God? If God tells you one thing and others another, and you accept the writings of some of the NT but not the others it doesn’t make sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![David42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@David42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David42)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/93 "2011-11-11T18:50:30Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > Pauls words were supposed to have been inspired by the Holy Spirit just as all the other writings of the OT and the NT. So if one believes some are inspired then all that is written is either inspired( or not)! In this case, Yah inspired Paul to admit when his writing came from his own reasoning. It says so. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819/94 "2011-11-12T13:47:08Z")
> [@David42](#): > > In this case, Yah inspired Paul to admit when his writing came from his own reasoning. It says so. All writings from any one comes from a person’s own mind, some attribute it to God others don’t .A lot depends on one’s life experience,what they were taught , read, or desired. We tend to like to hear what people say( or write) that we agree with. But if we want to learn the truth we have to consider what others say or express and then see if it is rational and can be proven, if not proven, then we still seek what is true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-christian-theology-will-a-twice-married-person-be-with-both-spouses-in-heaven/600819.md?page=4)