# According to KY law, the same sex marriage licenses **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 7, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227 "2015-09-07T03:00:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/321 "2015-09-08T17:27:41Z")
She is released. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/322 "2015-09-08T17:28:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It was against CA law at the time. See Prop 22, which made same-sex marriage illegal from 2000-2008. > > [2000 California Proposition 22 - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_22_(2000)) > > Newsom ordered his clerks to do something illegal. It is illegal to grant people licenses who are not legally entitled to them. > > Agreed? Yes. And at the time I was honestly concerned about it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/323 "2015-09-08T17:53:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > She is released. > > [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png) Praise the Lord!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/324 "2015-09-08T19:07:14Z")
Been several hours already, have Huckleberry and Cruz taken credit for this glorious victory yet? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/325 "2015-09-08T19:09:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Been several hours already, have Huckleberry and Cruz taken credit for this glorious victory yet? They knew Obama would knuckle under eventually and release her once he found out they were onto his War on Christianity! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/326 "2015-09-08T19:23:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Been several hours already, have Huckleberry and Cruz taken credit for this glorious victory yet? This is, of course, a major defeat for them. Now they don’t get to grandstand on the jailhouse steps and do photo ops through the bars. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/327 "2015-09-08T19:27:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > She is released. > > [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COZUApyWwAAzhHk.png) She got her George Wallace stand in the school house door moment. So long as she doesn’t try to stop her deputies from doing their job going forward, this is over as far as we all should be concerned. I don’t personally care if a few of those guys don’t issue licenses so long as there is always someone on duty who will. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/328 "2015-09-08T19:29:44Z")
Oops. Her lawyers claim that she will try to stop the licenses when she gets back to work. I wonder how that will play out. Will some of the deputies have the courage to defy her? > **[Lawyers vow Kim Davis will violate court order and halt marriage licenses...](https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-vow-kim-davis-will-violate-court-order-and-halt-marriage-licenses-after-release-from-jail/)** > > Just minutes after a judge ordered Kim Davis released from jail on Tuesday, her lawyers told CNN that she would violate a court order by forcing her clerks to stop issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.An order from U.S. District Court Judge... ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/329 "2015-09-08T19:31:41Z")
It would not surprise me if she went right back and tried to stop SSM licenses again. Some people get their sense of self-worth out of martyrdom. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/330 "2015-09-08T19:35:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It would not surprise me if she went right back and tried to stop SSM licenses again. Some people get their sense of self-worth out of martyrdom. Is it still martyrdom when you jump out in front of the guns and yell “Shoot me, dammit! Shoot me!”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/331 "2015-09-08T19:38:39Z")
Her deputies were ordered by the judge to issue the licenses, and IIRC all but one agreed to do so. If they change their minds and obey Davis’s unlawful orders to stop issuing them, then I imagine they would be in contempt and jailed by the judge. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/332 "2015-09-08T19:41:21Z")
At least she isn’t exploiting her overpowering sexual magnetism. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/333 "2015-09-08T19:41:27Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Oops. Her lawyers claim that she will try to stop the licenses when she gets back to work. I wonder how that will play out. Will some of the deputies have the courage to defy her? > > [Lawyers vow Kim Davis will violate court order and halt marriage licenses after release from jail](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-vow-kim-davis-will-violate-court-order-and-halt-marriage-licenses-after-release-from-jail/) doesn’t matter fi they defy - she was ordered not to interfere - so even attempting to interfere should put her back in jail. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/334 "2015-09-08T19:43:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Her deputies were ordered by the judge to issue the licenses, and IIRC all but one agreed to do so. If they change their minds and obey Davis’s unlawful orders to stop issuing them, then I imagine they would be in contempt and jailed by the judge. In a county that has a whopping 23,000 people, just how many SSM licenses would you expect per year? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/335 "2015-09-08T19:48:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In a county that has a whopping 23,000 people, just how many SSM licenses would you expect per year? They stopped ALL licenses - and tehre were atleast 4 or 5 issued in eh past couple days. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/336 "2015-09-08T19:48:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > In a county that has a whopping 23,000 people, just how many SSM licenses would you expect per year? I’m guessing that there’s a gay couple (or even gay-friendly straight friends) who haven’t yet gotten a license that will try in the coming days. Having the license doesn’t compel one to get married, after all. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/337 "2015-09-08T19:50:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m guessing that there’s a gay couple (or even gay-friendly straight friends) who haven’t yet gotten a license that will try in the coming days. Having the license doesn’t compel one to get married, after all. Sure. I just think that once the initial backlog, so to speak, gets thru, that there probably won’t be more than 1 or 2 SSM license requests in a given year. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/338 "2015-09-08T19:51:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Sure. I just think that once the initial backlog, so to speak, gets thru, that there probably won’t be more than 1 or 2 SSM license requests in a given year. again - she stopped ALL licenses - not just to SS couples. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/339 "2015-09-08T19:54:32Z")
> [@simster](#): > > again - she stopped ALL licenses - not just to SS couples. So what? I’m just pointing out that, under normal conditions, this whole issue is likely to be a once or twice yearly event. It quite possibly could be months before it’s an issue again. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227/340 "2015-09-08T19:57:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m guessing that there’s a gay couple (or even gay-friendly straight friends) who haven’t yet gotten a license that will try in the coming days. Having the license doesn’t compel one to get married, after all. If we assume that Rowan county is statistically identical to the nationwide mean and about 4% of its population is LBGT, then there would be about 930 such people living in the county, so if every single one of them were to pair off and want to get gay-married, that would be a maximum of 465 licenses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-ky-law-the-same-sex-marriage-licenses/730227.md?page=18)