# According to tarpal white culture's better than black culture. Thank you, massuh! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 18, 2002, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634 "2002-07-18T15:45:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Belowjob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Belowjob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/21 "2002-07-19T16:27:28Z")
w/ regards to the Church scandal, the priests committing the crimes were Americans, the victims were Americans, and the Church officials covering up the crimes were American. What struck me about the response to the scandal was the way some conservative Catholic columnists, like Peggy Noonan and Pat Buchanan, tried to defend the indefensible. Stating that most of the victims were teenagers not children, that the media were guilty of anti-Catholic bias etc. It seemed just like those black leaders who step up to defend the indefensible any time a black person gets in trouble in public. Jesse Jackson rushing to defend the high school thugs in Decatur, IL, the black ministers supporting Mike Tyson when he raped Desiree Washington, Maron Barry’s supporters in DC after the endless series of drug and corruption scandals, etc. As to Helms and Thurmond, I’m convinced by the circumstantial evidence. Part of the reason men like these had affairs with black mistresses was because of the impossibility of these women demanding marriage or pressing a claim for paternity. I don’t neccessarily think this is mud dragging. Thurmond in particular has enjoyed his reputation as a rogue. Helms has at least paid for his daughter’s education, which is more than many men, black or white can claim for their outside children. Perhaps I shouldn’t have included George Mason, one of the forgotten founders and author of the first version of the Bill of Rights, as an example of poor family values. Although he did father several children with one of his slaves, he acknowledged these children, ultimately freeing them and providing them with an inheritance. He also bitterly opposed bringing slavery into the new nation, even though he was a slaveholder himself. The pit is the place for impolite posts. Mine are based on facts, and I stand by them. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/22 "2002-07-19T17:24:51Z")
You’re convinced by the circumstancial evidence, hell, maybe I’ll be convinced too when I look it over at my leisure, but if there’s one thing my time lurking on the SDMB has taught me, it’s the value of intellectual discipline (and the definitions of squick and felch). Your post was a short insightful masterpiece of logic and truth, but out of the midst of all your impassioned observations the words “Strom- Helms- illegitimate children- black mistresses” come leaping out, and little-known bombshells like that have the effect of obsuring the point you were making. Your post is this close to being powerful enough to convince those whom you are trying to convince; instead, it’s going to have the effect of bringing the original discussion grinding to a halt while attention shifts en masse to Jesse and Strom. That they each have illegitimate, biracial children may be true, but it is not proven, and thus cannot be asserted without being challenged. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/23 "2002-07-19T17:35:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Belowjob \* > \*\*Part of the reason men like these had affairs with black mistresses was because of the impossibility of these women demanding marriage or pressing a claim for paternity. \*\* Sheesh. Not only are you convinced enough of these allegations to state them unequivably as facts (with no explanation), **you know what they were thinking at the time**. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/24 "2002-07-19T17:38:19Z")
Back to the subject at hand, namely **tarpal’s** fuckheadedness, witness his gem in [this GQ thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?&threadid=126416): > [@](#): > > My observations have been that most of the time you see a white woman with a black man, the woman is often of the obese, Jerry Springer-watching, trailer-trash variety. > > (please don’t flame me. this is just my opinion from experience.) [Cleavon Little] Where all the white women at? [/Cleavon Little] ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/25 "2002-07-19T18:36:21Z")
I don’t have “white culture”. I like what I like. If other people like it too, that’s great. Doesn’t matter what color they are. I don’t think there’s any such thing as white or black “culture” except in the minds of people who want to make easy generalizations. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/26 "2002-07-19T18:49:30Z")
Like you, Sam, I like what I like. I don’t attribute any of my tastes to a purported racial culture. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/27 "2002-07-19T19:20:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Belowjob \* > \*\*w/ regards to the Church scandal, the priests committing the crimes were Americans, the victims were Americans, and the Church officials covering up the crimes were American. \*\* Sadly, that’s not true, or at least not proven. America is where the crimes and coverups have been **exposed.** There is no reason to believe that the same or similar crimes have not been committed by priests in other countries, or that bishops elsewhere aren’t covering them up. Indeed there are definite indications that pedophilia and ephobophlia are RCC-wide problems. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Belowjob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/28 "2002-07-19T21:10:52Z")
I’m not neccessarily trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m expressing an informed opinion. This is the pit, after all. wrt the RCC, I never suggested that the problem was an exclusively American one. But the failure of American officials to adequately address the issue in America is an American problem. wrt to Helms and Thurmond, I don’t need to know what they were thinking. I know enough about the history and culture of the South to know that well to do white men often had black mistresses. Being able to publicly deny these relationships and the children produced from them was part of their appeal. This is something you either understand or you don’t. We have definitive proof wrt to Jefferson because of scientific advances and because he’s no longer around to cover things up. In his _Notes on Virginia_, and again in his _Autobiography_, he wrote of the inferiority of blacks and the impossibility of whites living with blacks, while a (partly) black woman was cooking his food, keeping his house, and providing him with services above and beyond the domestic. This hypocrisy is typical. Does this mean that Jefferson was not a great man? No. Does it mean that he was a complex, self contradictory man? Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/29 "2002-07-19T22:03:34Z")
White culture _is_ superior to black culture. In black culture, the media has been contaminated with undesireables. The media should always be either cloudy white or cloudy yellow, depending on the type. A darkening of the media means that undesired bacteria or fungi have contaminated the agar and that the sample needs to be thrown out. Remember to wash, rinse, and autoclave the flasks before re-use. What? Proper aseptic technique is just as relevant as the Catholic Church with regards to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/30 "2002-07-20T02:22:31Z")
I thought it was a cool post **BelowJob**. Representing things as facts which are only conjecture or hearsay will get you in trouble here, though. Hehe. I’ll let all you Dopers in on a secret. _I’m_ Strom Thurmond’s jungle fever love-child. I remember when I was 4 years old and the War Between The States raged on. . . ---
**Author:** ![PosterChild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e274bd/32.png) [@PosterChild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PosterChild)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/31 "2002-07-20T02:58:29Z")
Just thought I’d point out some more “White Culture” discussed right here on the SDMB. White superiority, indeed. [White trash redneck barbeques kitten alive…WTF!!!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=126112) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/32 "2002-07-20T03:00:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Hey, monstro, are you reading this thread? Any such thing in America as “black culture”? Eh. I believe there are cultural artifacts which tie most black Americans (those people descended from American slaves) together. Our affiliation is certaintly more than skin deep. There’s a black subculture just like there’s Italian-American subculture or gay subculture. Noticing that black Americans are not just white people in brown skins is neither racist or wrong. But just because there’s a subculture shared by African Americans doesn’t mean white people have one. Sure, “white” ethnicities/special groups have their own subcultures, but besides the mainstream culture that we all share, white folk–as a group–don’t have their own special culture. That’s like saying Asians, Latinos, and black people share a culture simply because they are minority groups. Wait, I just thought of something. Clapping on 1 and 3 and eating mayonnaise sandwiches…could these be aspects of “white” culture? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/33 "2002-07-20T07:44:03Z")
no, i hate mayonnaise, and can’t keep a beat long enough to get to three. ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2002, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/34 "2002-07-20T12:02:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by black455 \* > \*\*Back to the subject at hand, namely **tarpal’s** fuckheadedness, witness his gem in [this GQ thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?&threadid=126416): > > ## quote: > > My observations have been that most of the time you see a white woman with a black man, the woman is often of the obese, Jerry Springer-watching, trailer-trash variety. > > (please don’t flame me. this is just my opinion from experience.) > > * * * > > [Cleavon Little] > Where all the white women at? > [/Cleavon Little] \*\* And I posted that I thought he was being sarcastic. I changed my mind. This guy is a total fuckwhistle. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/35 "2002-07-21T05:42:22Z")
Well pld, apparently your lame attempt at sarcasm was well… lame. Also, the “slap the dick out of your mouth” comment was offensive as hell, and I think you owe RickJay an apology. If you were a fucking newbie, I imagine the gay posters on the board would be ALL over your shit for that comment. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/36 "2002-07-21T12:07:00Z")
Well, Klaatu, I doubt it, because I know that many of the gay posters on the board would recognize a _Mr. Show_ joke when they saw one. Don’t you ever – **ever** – attempt to paint me with some kind of homophobe brush. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/37 "2002-07-21T13:28:39Z")
As long as we’ve completely destroyed any thought of the OP… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Belowjob \* > \*\*I’m not neccessarily trying to convince anyone of anything. I’m expressing an informed opinion. This is the pit, after all. \*\* This really pisses me off. Just because a thread is in the pit doesn’t suddenly lift the requirements for a high standard of intellectual integrity. Agh. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_The\_Diver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Buck\_The\_Diver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_The_Diver)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2002, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/38 "2002-07-21T14:13:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Belowjob \* > \*\* This is something you either understand or you don’t. > \*\* Well, you can’t argue _that_ logic. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2002, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/39 "2002-08-30T18:18:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*I’m aghast at someone claiming that black culture doesn’t promote and respect family. Despite what the media would like you to believe, it’s my considered opinion from years of observation that black culture, on the whole, is light-years beyond white culture in terms of promoting family. Especially extended family and intergenerational respect. > \*\* I have both white and black friends and have to admit I really don’t see an real world _increase_ in respect for elders or “family values” in black (vs white) familes that I am familiar with. If anything the black children are just as disrespectful and talk back even more disparagingly to their mothers. I will admit that in black families with fathers on site this almost never happens, but white children will sass their fathers (especially the daughters) if they think they can get away with it. Do you have a cite for this assertion of yours of black vs white disaprities in respect for elders and “family promoting” behavior? ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2002, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634/40 "2002-08-30T18:53:28Z")
Re-read pl’s post, astro. He clearly states it’s his opinion based on his observation. Just as your point that black children ‘talk back more disparagingly to their mothers’ is your opinion and nothing else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/according-to-tarpal-white-cultures-better-than-black-culture-thank-you-massuh/119634.md?page=3)